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CarnageBTC

guys, why is WORLDS considered the biggest tournament of the year in LoL but Champions is not (in Val) ? What is MSI and how is it different from Masters?

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Yes i feel champions is not bigger enough to be most biggest val tournament, just look at worlds and TI hype man thats what you call biggest tournament of the game

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CarnageBTC

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sorry i watched worlds but i didnt understand shit lol ... btw what do u think champions is lacking? its bigger than masters surely so i dont get it

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idkmanwth

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more hype, i mean it'll get hyped up more and more as we go through the years

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CarnageBTC

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yeah that makes sense ... specially if we get an icon like faker

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idkmanwth

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chronicle's on his way to do that, all we need is for him to win one/two champs and rack up a couple masters

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CarnageBTC

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i wish him all the best ... he just needs a few champs trophys :)

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unpopular opinion, fnatic is stacked for a few years, yeah boaster cant aim, but he can out call everyone else with 4 beasts on his team, then we have sayonara who is a beast with what i have known, i just want chronicle to end up as the goat

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What is blud talkin about

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CarnageBTC

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in valorant, people think masters winners and champs winners are at the same level. But in LoL, worls winner >> MSI winner .... I was curious why is that the case

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Azzelastia

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Only fraudmea people think that.
Champs is the most important tournament.

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tserc

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Faker brings in a lot of viewership, and rightfully so because he has 4 world championship wins

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Galactc

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The champs winners are never the best team of that year (2022 is the only year where I'd disagree with this)

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CarnageBTC

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does the worlds winner win MSI as well ? i dont get it ... champs have the best teams from each region and winner among those teams, is the best team itw ? who else is better than the champs winner ?

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Azzelastia

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EG was the best team of all time during 2023.

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de2eqewe2q

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fnatic was the best team in 2023.
#2 EG

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i would assume because a lot of val players came from cs and thus they treat every intl tourney as a 'major'

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CarnageBTC

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this makes a lot of sense .. Thank you

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Azzelastia

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Champions is the most important touranment in Val.

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worlds is longer than msi, has many more teams (from the top regions especially, more competitive), and the patch for it releases a month in advance so teams have time to cook. the difference between msi and champs is less like masters 2 and champs and more like masters 1 and champs. this will probably change next year since they are adding a small tournament before msi

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winning MSI is the same level as winning a masters, if not slightly more impressive.

Worlds is just a bigger tourney with way more prestige and hype around it (because of its history) than Val's champs, hence why it feels more important than MSI.

Also I can barely remember who wins masters, but I will always remember who won champs each year.

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CarnageBTC

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yeah thats how it should be ... maybe with time, everyone will realise that champs is more important

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Cheasle2

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That will definitely happen with time

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there isnt really any difference in valorant other than prize money

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CarnageBTC

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no. of teams ?

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composthe

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it doesnt even matter that much, 16 team is still a normal sized tournament. maybe if it was 24+ it would feel different

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CarnageBTC

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oh is worlds like that ? interesting
hope we will get there someday ... valorant is still pretty new

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composthe

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idk i dont follow lol, i come from cs where majors feel different with the open circuit, big RMR groups and more teams (24) compared to other events (8 for blast, 16 for ESL/IEM)

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Thats a good question but I think they are 2 main reason :

historic reason : historically worlds was the only international event of the year, we waited 5 years before the first MSI
format : For long, the MSI have a specific format, only the top 1 of the 5 mains region where qual, (Plus winner of small regions), it was a single round robin. Having only 6 team make the event mush less important

In Valorant, historically master have almost same format and mush more team than in Champions.

How to make Champions count mush more than masters is a really interesting question and doesn't have mush answer, beside making only a master with 4 team (Or 8 teams, but dividing every region into 2 subregion and qual one team per subregion SA-NA, EU-CISTR, SEA-EA, CN-TW) that would make everyone cries, so maybe the solution is by changing champions format and make it really epic, mush longer, a fucking marathon

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CarnageBTC

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i understand now...but riot wont/cant make champs longer bcoz it coincides with worlds ... honestly i dont see the problem with that but i get that some people might follow both esports

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Anguibok

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They can make it start earlier in 2026, they are really intresting format to do with 24 or 32 teams

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the diversity of content creators aswell, tarik is the only one that peaks for valorant, while people like ibai, tolkin, caedrel peak in the 100K viewers per stream, as Caedrel gets 370K on his stream sometimes by just costreaming worlds

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LoL viewership is just so much bigger than Valorant's in general.

Even before playoffs started Worlds 2024 had more than double the viewers of VCT Champions Grand Finals. Just to give an example G2 vs T1 (the most popular match from Worlds Swiss stage) had a peak of 3 million viewers, while the most watched valorant match OF ALL TIME doesn't even reach 1.7 million...

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TraditionalFlyer

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When MSI was created, Worlds was already a hyped and well established tournament. While in Val, Masters and Champions were created since the first competitive year.
Also, MSI had a shitty format until like 2-3 years ago, reducing its importance