guys, why is WORLDS considered the biggest tournament of the year in LoL but Champions is not (in Val) ? What is MSI and how is it different from Masters?
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Kim_Minjii [#2]Yes i feel champions is not bigger enough to be most biggest val tournament, just look at worlds and TI hype man thats what you call biggest tournament of the game
sorry i watched worlds but i didnt understand shit lol ... btw what do u think champions is lacking? its bigger than masters surely so i dont get it
_Nonsense [#4]What is blud talkin about
in valorant, people think masters winners and champs winners are at the same level. But in LoL, worls winner >> MSI winner .... I was curious why is that the case
Galactc [#7]The champs winners are never the best team of that year (2022 is the only year where I'd disagree with this)
does the worlds winner win MSI as well ? i dont get it ... champs have the best teams from each region and winner among those teams, is the best team itw ? who else is better than the champs winner ?
jimjam789 [#9]i would assume because a lot of val players came from cs and thus they treat every intl tourney as a 'major'
this makes a lot of sense .. Thank you
CarnageBTC [#6]in valorant, people think masters winners and champs winners are at the same level. But in LoL, worls winner >> MSI winner .... I was curious why is that the case
Only fraudmea people think that.
Champs is the most important tournament.
Galactc [#7]The champs winners are never the best team of that year (2022 is the only year where I'd disagree with this)
EG was the best team of all time during 2023.
worlds is longer than msi, has many more teams (from the top regions especially, more competitive), and the patch for it releases a month in advance so teams have time to cook. the difference between msi and champs is less like masters 2 and champs and more like masters 1 and champs. this will probably change next year since they are adding a small tournament before msi
CarnageBTC [#3]sorry i watched worlds but i didnt understand shit lol ... btw what do u think champions is lacking? its bigger than masters surely so i dont get it
more hype, i mean it'll get hyped up more and more as we go through the years
idkmanwth [#15]more hype, i mean it'll get hyped up more and more as we go through the years
yeah that makes sense ... specially if we get an icon like faker
Azzelastia [#13]EG was the best team of all time during 2023.
fnatic was the best team in 2023.
#2 EG
winning MSI is the same level as winning a masters, if not slightly more impressive.
Worlds is just a bigger tourney with way more prestige and hype around it (because of its history) than Val's champs, hence why it feels more important than MSI.
Also I can barely remember who wins masters, but I will always remember who won champs each year.
Cheasle2 [#18]winning MSI is the same level as winning a masters, if not slightly more impressive.
Worlds is just a bigger tourney with way more prestige and hype around it (because of its history) than Val's champs, hence why it feels more important than MSI.
Also I can barely remember who wins masters, but I will always remember who won champs each year.
yeah thats how it should be ... maybe with time, everyone will realise that champs is more important
CarnageBTC [#16]yeah that makes sense ... specially if we get an icon like faker
chronicle's on his way to do that, all we need is for him to win one/two champs and rack up a couple masters
idkmanwth [#20]chronicle's on his way to do that, all we need is for him to win one/two champs and rack up a couple masters
i wish him all the best ... he just needs a few champs trophys :)
CarnageBTC [#23]no. of teams ?
it doesnt even matter that much, 16 team is still a normal sized tournament. maybe if it was 24+ it would feel different
CarnageBTC [#21]i wish him all the best ... he just needs a few champs trophys :)
unpopular opinion, fnatic is stacked for a few years, yeah boaster cant aim, but he can out call everyone else with 4 beasts on his team, then we have sayonara who is a beast with what i have known, i just want chronicle to end up as the goat
composthe [#24]it doesnt even matter that much, 16 team is still a normal sized tournament. maybe if it was 24+ it would feel different
oh is worlds like that ? interesting
hope we will get there someday ... valorant is still pretty new
Thats a good question but I think they are 2 main reason :
- historic reason : historically worlds was the only international event of the year, we waited 5 years before the first MSI
- format : For long, the MSI have a specific format, only the top 1 of the 5 mains region where qual, (Plus winner of small regions), it was a single round robin. Having only 6 team make the event mush less important
In Valorant, historically master have almost same format and mush more team than in Champions.
How to make Champions count mush more than masters is a really interesting question and doesn't have mush answer, beside making only a master with 4 team (Or 8 teams, but dividing every region into 2 subregion and qual one team per subregion SA-NA, EU-CISTR, SEA-EA, CN-TW) that would make everyone cries, so maybe the solution is by changing champions format and make it really epic, mush longer, a fucking marathon
Anguibok [#27]Thats a good question but I think they are 2 main reason :
- historic reason : historically worlds was the only international event of the year, we waited 5 years before the first MSI
- format : For long, the MSI have a specific format, only the top 1 of the 5 mains region where qual, (Plus winner of small regions), it was a single round robin. Having only 6 team make the event mush less important
In Valorant, historically master have almost same format and mush more team than in Champions.
How to make Champions count mush more than masters is a really interesting question and doesn't have mush answer, beside making only a master with 4 team (Or 8 teams, but dividing every region into 2 subregion and qual one team per subregion SA-NA, EU-CISTR, SEA-EA, CN-TW) that would make everyone cries, so maybe the solution is by changing champions format and make it really epic, mush longer, a fucking marathon
i understand now...but riot wont/cant make champs longer bcoz it coincides with worlds ... honestly i dont see the problem with that but i get that some people might follow both esports
CarnageBTC [#19]yeah thats how it should be ... maybe with time, everyone will realise that champs is more important
That will definitely happen with time
CarnageBTC [#29]i understand now...but riot wont/cant make champs longer bcoz it coincides with worlds ... honestly i dont see the problem with that but i get that some people might follow both esports
They can make it start earlier in 2026, they are really intresting format to do with 24 or 32 teams
cherish [#28]the diversity of content creators aswell, tarik is the only one that peaks for valorant, while people like ibai, tolkin, caedrel peak in the 100K viewers per stream, as Caedrel gets 370K on his stream sometimes by just costreaming worlds
LoL viewership is just so much bigger than Valorant's in general.
Even before playoffs started Worlds 2024 had more than double the viewers of VCT Champions Grand Finals. Just to give an example G2 vs T1 (the most popular match from Worlds Swiss stage) had a peak of 3 million viewers, while the most watched valorant match OF ALL TIME doesn't even reach 1.7 million...
CarnageBTC [#26]oh is worlds like that ? interesting
hope we will get there someday ... valorant is still pretty new
idk i dont follow lol, i come from cs where majors feel different with the open circuit, big RMR groups and more teams (24) compared to other events (8 for blast, 16 for ESL/IEM)
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