Top 5 Americas players by role

#1

ValAnalist

First of all fuck all flex players.
Second, IGL cant be placed as a controller, initiator.. Only as IGL.
It's in order. However, I am open to changing Initiator, Controller (hardest),
Sentinel and IGL. Duelist im sure about my choices.

Duelist:
Aspas
Zekken
Keznit
Oxy
Jawgemo

Senti:
Less
Leaf
Shy
Tex
Zellsis

Controller:
Tuyz
Tenz
Bang
S0m
Cryo

Initiator:
Trent
eeiu
Heat
Sacy
Derrek

IGL:
Valyn
JohnQT
Kingg
Boostio
Nature

What do you think?

#2

Srathens1

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Cryo is considered duelist main no?

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ValAnalist

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He usually plays Jett or smoke. Sometimes from Gekko. Controller was very difficult to make, since I couldn't place the IGLs.

#3

catNmouse

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Heats util is worse than those 4 players I think Mazino or cauanzin should be there

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Big_Potato

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preach

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ValAnalist

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Yeah, mazino is very good initator... plays breach and cant get 1 person with his ult. Mazino is too flex to be top 5 initiator.

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catNmouse

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Then ethan or cauanzin over heat lmao, ethan is a better kayo, skye and breach player than heat is. Heat is an insane fragger but not a great support player

Ethan has played flash initators 99% of the time, Yoru can be a pseudo initiator and has flashes which is why they’ve tinkered around with him

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Steelz

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tuyz over tenz and bang is criminal

#8

ValAnalist

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When you see Tenz playing with Harbor, Brim or Astra we can talk.

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Steelz

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impact > flexibility

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Huitzilopochtli

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valANAList has a point here bud, tuyz is also a very good shooter/fragger

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nobody___100

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ok but tenz shouldn't even be on this list, bro plays exactly 1 controller. he's a pseudo-flex omen 1trick and no flexes allowed on this list.

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ValAnalist

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Is unfair to Tenz put him out. Bang plays Omen 70% too. S0m played like 5 matches and Cryo isn't even a true controller (but he plays more agents than Tenz lmao)

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nobody___100

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none of them should be there, your stupid "igl can't be in agent rankings" rule is hindering valyn from topping the list as he should be. everyone else is irrelevant

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ValAnalist

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I don't want to mix the IGLs because I can't evaluate their mechanics very much. Although Valyn and Kingg don't have this problem.

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Yuh_aye

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Jawgemo too low, also where are ethan and com?

#11

ValAnalist

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Above who you put Jawgemo?
C0m kekw... Sova lurker.
Ethan too flex to be in 1 role.

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Yuh_aye

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Jawgemo 3rd, after aspas and zekken

Com plays fade and viper aswell, so scan initiator that flexes to viper

Ethan plays flash initiator (Kayo Skye Breach) and sometimes flexes to Yoru (basically another flash initiator)

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ValAnalist

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Don't be crazy. Jawgemo is not better than Keznit and Oxy. Oxy literally carry some match's for C9. And Keznit is more constant duelist than Jawgemo. Jawgemo is very good raze, but Keznit is more well balanced between Raze/Jett and Neon.

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catNmouse

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“too flex” is when you play ONE agent that’s not classified as as initiator in game kekw

#21

ValAnalist

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OK, he isnt flex, but he isnt the primary initiator. That is it.

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catNmouse

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Considering he does his job well more than heat, i’d say he is

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ValAnalist

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If you owned a team, and had to hire an initiator, would you hire Heat or Ethan?

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catNmouse

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Ethan, unless heat actually improves his util usage then MAYBE

#29

ValAnalist

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congrats, now your team dont have a sova or fade.

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dort

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why is there 2 bronzil players for initiator
nvm didnt see ur flag

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ValAnalist

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Heat's first year playing as an initiator and he did very well, but Sova was missing from his pool. Sacy is one of the best supports in the history of the game, he has a huge pool and has adapted to Gekko's meta.

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dort

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sacy is by far the most overrated player oat
hasnt had a good event since 2022 yet still gets praised by 90% of vlr

#14

uwukitten

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tuyz and bang are NOT better than s0m + tenz literally only plays omen

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ValAnalist

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I agree. But S0m needs to play to be in the conversation.

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Ballsamolee

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the fuck is nature doing up there and where is saadhak

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ValAnalist

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saadhak couldn't adapt to Gekko's meta and ultimately was playing Neon. Of course he is one of the best IGL in Valorant, It's not entirely his fault that Loud was left without a duelist, but unfortunately I had to take that into consideration.

Nature = potter tbh.
EG did so well for the line that they had to play in 2024.

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cloudberry

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No offense to you personally but I hate your reasoning

#39

ValAnalist

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Alright, man.
But I don't think it's fair for me to put Saadhak in fifth place when he didn't do anything great with a team that had good players. EG had a similar result to Loud, even though they had a much worse roster.

#27

H3ENnZ

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I know Less is kinda like a full time senti after viper is nerfed but i feel like that he was mainly known as THE viper player (I know he played a lot of killjoy and the start of his career but he was absolutely goated on viper)

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ValAnalist

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Less play Viper a lot, but Viper is like a sentinel too. Competitively it is used this way.

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H3ENnZ

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Fair enough but shouldnt Zellsis be categorized as a flex player？

#36

ValAnalist

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Yes he is. But I think it's better to put him in the top 5 than Mooser from cloud 9. I was unsure between the two, but I think Zellsis had a good year with KJ. It's fair to put him in top 5 imo.

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Eltioconcho

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The best list ive seen in vlr, congrats, voce é muito lucido

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ValAnalist

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Ty hermano. Tamo junto

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Azzelastia

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Demon1 clears

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ValAnalist

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who?

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DecimateYKTV

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Supa > tuyz and cryo on smokes

#45

ValAnalist

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Definitely not better than Tuyz. But between him and Cryo It's very debatable.

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KaiserNoah

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I get that Tenz only plays Omen for controller, but Tuyz literally got fourth in Masters Madrid and didn't make anything else this year. Meanwhile Tenz won Madrid and came fourth in Champs. Feel like putting Tuyz above him is just disingenuous.

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ValAnalist

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But isn't about trophies. Tuyz can play Harbor, Brim and Astra. He has a lot more to offer as a controller than Tenz. Tenz is better player, not better controller.

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Xabrusca

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Leaf LUL

#47

ValAnalist

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Why LUL?
One of the best KJ anchors I've ever seen.

#49

tamamamamamduacs

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pancada? tuyz?

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ValAnalist

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what?

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Liem

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why no saadhak

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ValAnalist

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He had a good start, but the team suffered a lot because he couldn't bring the meta gekko to the team. And for the rest of the year, he was unable to organize the team and they failed to qualify for champions, even with good players on the team. His year as IGL was not positive.

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Liem

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surely better than nature tho. atleast loud qualed to madrid

#54

WhisperingSoul1111

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Tenz and Cryo in controller?

Get a brain

#55

ValAnalist

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Who instead? Since i dont put igls.