We need to have this conversation now

#1

DDot

Is Riens the best initiator in the world right now?

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gg321

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yes easily,and hes underrated too,insne stats every game,consistent and clutch too

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best initiator is leo or f0rsakeN so sorry no space for recency bias reins

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zoras

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Dude pls pls pls pls just stfu, you have Zero literally Zero knowledge and are the worst person on this Website

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sorry im not blinded by recency bias like you drones

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zoras

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Tf first of all you learned the Word „recency bias“ on vlr, second of all you are a fat dumb fuck who is just annoying. Get off touch grass your team got grouped bye bye

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BulkyLettuce

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look man i know you are really passionate about this but your idol aint allat

EDG 3-1

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zoras

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Tf are you talking, im not even rooting for hererics, never Said that, i just stated that YOU are annoying and Nobody wants to see you here

#38

ShadowsssIsCool

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"Is Riens the best initiator in the world right now?" learn to read no?

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Yuniee44

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I mean Leo makes sense but forsaken?

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did u skip over the "right now" ?

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sentinelmain377

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why are u like this? :/

just be a decent person lmao

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sharkloc28

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most consistent

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IZAYA_ORIHARA

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better than leo?

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DDot

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he has leos aura but at peak no leo still better imo

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Suygetsu aims 🥵 the reset 😈 absolutely ridiculous 🥶

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Riens this year is like Leo from last year, insanely good player and the best of the year.

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too soon to consider him better than leo but he's definitely up there

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did Trexx and Leo suddenly die for you to say something like this?

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Prontera

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Yep. I mean none of them at grand finals for the last 2 event.

Are u that dumb?

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Leo health issues
Trexx has kicks and walker

Despite these issues, they are still better. I won't ask if you're retarded, since thats rhetorical.

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Prontera

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Yeah trexx have a bad teammates, poor him. So what? If anything thats why trexx looks so good, cuz he surrounded by idiots, except sayf. Meanwhile riens is the #1 player on his team filled with great players.

Even if Leo play This champs, Wont change that much, he Used to be better last year but not this year. Hell, I even think he still better than riens overall. But NOW? Riens is the best initiator in the world.

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and what's being in a gf gotta do with that? were talking about individual capabilities here
are u that dumb?

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Prontera

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If riens has such a low individual capabilities , TH wont even reach GF. He is their best players.

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DDot

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key word 'RIGHT NOW'

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Put Leo and Trexx in the game RIGHT NOW and they're still better. Otherwise, you're saying that Riens is the best initiator in the world of only TWO playing RIGHT NOW

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DDot

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wtf are you talking about duelist and two in the world? leo hasnt played pro in months and trexx is amazing i wanted him at liquid but he hasnt shown or exceeded the level that riens is showing

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CringePlayer

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wtf are you talking about?

Trexx -> Highest rated player in Champs lol
Leo -> Highest initiator peak of all time, and still diffed Riens when they last played despite health issues.

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DDot

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nice edit

Trexx is 1st, Riens is 5th while playing over 300 rounds more stop with this shit.
Leo is the better player that isnt the argument, im saying who is the best right now put leo in this server RIGHT NOW he isnt doing what riens is doing simply because he hasnt played pro in months. Not sure why ur talking about the last time they faced each other when im talking about right now.

With that logic MiniBoo > Aspas as he beat him last series

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I'd still take Leo without playing for months over Riens, because he is THE best.

Trexx is 1st, Riens is 5th while playing over 300 rounds more stop with this shit.
1st is 1st.

put leo in this server RIGHT NOW he isnt doing what riens is doing simply because he hasnt played pro in months
Yes he is. Riens isn't even the best initiator on his team lmao. Woot clear hims in terms of ACTUAL initiating ability, Riens just frags.

Riens is literally getting diffed by his IGL in terms of assists lol (yk the MAIN metric of an initiators ability to set up their team)

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DDot

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ok

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Right now? Hell yea! Bro's putting duelist number on initiator while having perfect utility.

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sentinelmain377

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all time ranking:
Leo > RieNs > Sacy > Chronicle (when he's on initiator) > Crashies > Shao (when he's on initiator) > c0m > Trexx > Cloud

rn ranking:
RieNs > Leo

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If he continues like he's playing currently, he'll be up there with Leo in barely any time, he's a crazy player.

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Aayan

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100%
all time I would have Leo, but it's pretty close

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PooFaceCe

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Not even close, yk Shanks can play initiator right?

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Fuck yes, this kid is insane this champs especially

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Just behind xeppaa

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Zeron

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very likely yes