Hiro vs Leo | VLR.gg

#1

JawXG

With all the comparison on VLR of these 2 beasts lately, I thought it would be interesting to collect the statistics to dig a little deeper. Let me know what you think, and who you think works better with the team. Enjoy! :D

VCT EMEA stage 2 Hiro stats:

45 / 44 / 37 +1
36 / 35 / 13 +1
35 / 22 / 16 +13 (MVP)
29 / 20 / 10 +9
50 / 42 / 15 +8
31 / 29 / 10 +2
35 / 25 / 14 +10
52 / 52 / 32 +0

Fnatic stage 2 win rate with Hiro: 100%

Champions 2024 Hiro stats:

29 / 20 / 15 +9 (MVP)
24 / 32 / 12 -8
50 / 44 / 12 +6
28 / 26 / 14 +2
27 / 22 / 12 +5
35 / 46 / 18 -11

Fnatic champs 24 win rate with Hiro: 50%

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

VCT EMEA stage 1 Leo stats:

40 / 30 / 13 +10 (MVP)
35 / 31 / 21 +4
28 / 16 / 16 +12
31 / 19 / 12 +12
32 / 32 / 17 +0
34 / 34 / 14 +0
66 / 42 / 24 +24 (MVP)
46 / 19 / 20 +27 (MVP)
28 / 30 / 10 -2 (MVP)
67 / 54 / 38 +13
85 / 57 / 50 +28 (MVP)

Fnatic Stage 2 win rate with Leo: 64%
Note that there are more games played here...

Champions 2023 Leo stats:

32 / 15 / 15 +17
24 / 20 / 19 +4
29 / 28 / 10 +1
26 / 18 / 21 +8
45 / 30 / 27 +15 (MVP)
45 / 36 / 27 +9 (MVP)

Fnatic champs 23 winrate with Leo: 66.6%

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As a final reminder I would like to say that these players have very different styles and play very different roles for their teams. I mean, leo has literally NEVER played cypher professionally, not one game. Also, I would like to remind you that it is Hiro's first season in tier 1, meanwhile Leo has been in t1 since 2020.
AND REMEMBER, STATS AREN'T EVERYTHING!

#2

n1cf

1

Frags

+

–

both should leave fnatic and join vitality

#6

starxito_sike

3

Frags

+

–

and cned can retire and let qw1 take his place

#9

n1cf

0

Frags

+

–

your name always reminds me of starxo

#14

KITTT

0

Frags

+

–

no way bro said washed qw1 instead of some young tier 2 like xeus

#3

WholemealBread

-1

Frags

+

–

they are both great players icl but i think the roster works better with hiro than leo. Chronicle has been playing a lot better recently and imo its down to the roles he has been playing because hiro can flex better than leo

#20

Hobbit

4

Frags

+

–

Yeah, but Alfajer has not been looking... great... on the flex role...

#23

Shuaaaa

0

Frags

+

–

Hiro did a great job this season, but leo is 100% better in terms of both aim and map pool.

#4

Diebs

3

Frags

+

–

idk but it looked like the team was together for almost 1.5 years and hiro was the spark they needed so not sure if hiro stays or leo comes back

#8

JawXG

1

Frags

+

–

Yeah, I have to admit the old team looked tired and VERY ready for a change. Especially after that shanghai run.

#5

Botfragger9000

2

Frags

+

–

I wouldn't be VERY surprised if at some point soon we see -Boaster +Leo for their roster. With Boaster being a coach

#7

JawXG

0

Frags

+

–

Chronicle IGL?

#12

YamiS

2

Frags

+

–

fnatic aren’t letting go of boaster. team already doesn’t have such good coordination. removing the igl will just make fnatic look lost.

#10

YamiS

3

Frags

+

–

I think Leo will stay on the team while Hiro will be on another team. I feel that with Leo, FNATIC just look more confident. They also had better results in 2023 which js why they keep him over Hiro. I just hope he stays healthy for the whole season next year. For Hiro, I think NAVI, VIT, and TL are some contenders for Hiro. NAVI and TL looks like they’re going to rebuild. I believe Hiro will be a good first step in their rebuilds.

#15

JawXG

0

Frags

+

–

Agreed. I think Leo's next team will be Fnatic or he will quit valo entirely.

#17

catNmouse

0

Frags

+

–

also i don’t think they have midrounders/2nd callers so boaster has to do everything, meanwhile with leo he was helping boaster with that

#11

SuckUrMumBruv2

0

Frags

+

–

you can put Leo in any team and its gonna be an upgrade

#13

TM06Nick

0

Frags

+

–

Leo in that breeze game not comming but still going nuclear is legendary

#16

what_are_you_aiming_at

0

Frags

+

–

chronicle plays so much better with hiro while i feel alfajer plays better with leo

#18

JawXG

0

Frags

+

–

100% Leo nerfs chronicle hard.
Leo not being able to play cypher nerfs the poor guy into the ground

#19

what_are_you_aiming_at

0

Frags

+

–

yeah and hes so comfortable on the sova id honestly prefer him over leo on it

#21

BalkanSigma78

0

Frags

+

–

fnatic doesnt have a chance to win a trophy with hiro, with leo they do

#22

JawXG

0

Frags

+

–

idk man, give them a bit of time imo

#24

primmieee

0

Frags

+

–

there’s no question about it for now, leo's level is beyond. hiro is good but he would need sustained consistency over time to reach leo's level

#25

JawXG

0

Frags

+

–

Agreed but I don't think the debate is actually about who's the better player, it's about who is more beneficial to Fnatic rn.
If Hiro on cypher allows chronicle to regain his prime on his comfortable agents, then long term it could be the better move for fnc

#26

primmieee

0

Frags

+

–

if leo was on the team, pretty much he would fragging. so, basically one or some of them didn't get the spotlight. and we all know chronicle is a beast on much agent, chron would doing great job on support even if he's not fragging.