Does anyone know if his gf contacted authorities regarding the abuse or if there are any actual evidences? To me, it sounds like made up b.s to defame someone.
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She said she did put a complaint backed by a psychologist (????)
I'm just wondering if she put a complaint why did we never know about it. We would've 100% heard of "pro player found guilty of abuse after complaint" etc. Also, tf does backed by a psychologist means? Since when do they have jurisdiction for stuff like this. Genuenly curious
I'm not taking sides though, just find a lot of this stuff quite weird
Depends on the situation but a psychologist would be able to attest to any trauma or psychological damage felt from an abusive relationship. How that holds up in court who knows? I'm not aware of Chilean? legal standards. Actually good note where would the suit be filed hadn't thought of that until just now. I guess the US if they were living in LA?
Right they can account for trauma but my issue is this. I'll give you an example of stuff that happens irl
-> Girl has relations with guy
-> Girl regrets doing it after and feels like she got raped
-> She feels raped and traumatized even though she gave full consent before the fact
-> Girl goes to psychologist and psychologist confirms she feels raped and got trauma from that even though there wasn't any rape involved
I hope this makes sense. But my point being is that sometimes how people feel is not quite what happened. It's like when someone is being nice and the other person feels like they are being flirted with even though there was never any flirting involved.
Let me rephrase what you just said for ya :)
"Women who accuse men of rape are automatically lying"
like breh what type of sewage pipe did you crawl out from under. Istg people who talk like this have never actually had any person close to them go through this shit. You will cry innocent until proven guilty when its the man but the woman is immediately a lying harlot who wants to ruin your favorite pro.
The occurrence of the scenario hes describing compared to the number of people who are actually abused or raped and are either pressured into remaining silent or unable to prove their claim in a court of law is so comically small its not worth considering. Its simply a stock talking point from people who don't care to question those who they follow be it online or in person. Hence why I stopped engaging with him seriously.
The only people who give these talking points are not people worth engaging with.
the occurrence is so small that it's not worth considering
This isn't a statistical analysis! This is an individual case where ALL possibilities MUST BE considered. At this point, there isn't hard evidence, so the case that AlexSMTx described is possible.
You CANNOT use group statistics in evaluating an individual's case. Please understand this.
Just because someone disagrees with you, that is not enough to write off their argument as not being in good faith.
Alex simply discussed a possibility. Look at #16! When I clarified to him how the psychologist testimony is valuable in a civil manner, he agreed with me!
This isn't a statistical analysis! This is an individual case where ALL possibilities MUST BE considered. At this point, there isn't hard evidence, so the case that AlexSMTx described is possible.
The case he describe is a pure hypothetical that is tangentially related to the Mazino allegations through use of a psychologist. Yes the case he describe is possible I never said it wasn't... Its just immensely improbable and bringing it up is a telling talking point and I would say a dogwhistle if it wasn't so overt.
You CANNOT use group statistics in evaluating an individual's case. Please understand this.
Faulty use of logic. When evaluating an individual case you should start from a population perspective before adjusting the likelyhood of an event occuring based on the details of the individual i.e. context. Unless you have significantly more than me or him what I said stands.
Just because someone disagrees with you, that is not enough to write off their argument as not being in good faith.
You misunderstand. I don't think he's arguing in bad faith. I think he's a bad person. Look at his reply to my comment. He accuses sinatraa's ex of a crime without evidence just like I said he would. He sucks. So do you.
The case he describe is a pure hypothetical that is tangentially related to the Mazino allegations through use of a psychologist. Yes the case he describe is possible I never said it wasn't... Its just immensely improbable and bringing it up is a telling talking point and I would say a dogwhistle if it wasn't so overt.
At this point, everything is hypothetical. You are not understanding. As of now, there is no hard evidence. Until proof of her allegations arises, or proof of her faking this arises, you can't be conclusive either way. It doesn't matter what the statistics on these types of cases are.
This isn't a lottery or a game with odds that you bet on! People's lives are at stake! You have to evaluate the evidence before you. Mazino is an individual, not a statistic. You don't realize this, but racists use the same statistics-based argument you are using to discriminate against individuals. It does not matter what the statistics are when evaluating an individual's case. Period.
We can only wait to see what evidence comes forward.
Faulty use of logic. When evaluating an individual case you should start from a population perspective before adjusting the likelyhood of an event occuring based on the details of the individual i.e. context. Unless you have significantly more than me or him what I said stands.
Absolutely WRONG. You do not use macro group probabilities to evaluate a micro individual event. See the above point. The western legal system is predicated on "innocent until proven guilty". We do not want to imprison innocent people.
You misunderstand. I don't think he's arguing in bad faith. I think he's a bad person. Look at his reply to my comment. He accuses sinatraa's ex of a crime without evidence just like I said he would. He sucks. So do you.
Brother in #13 I contributed to your list on useful questions to ask the psychologist, and in #12 I literally explained to Alex why the psychologist testimony is useful! You are conveniently dodging that fact that he agreed with me in #16. You misinterpreted what he said, and that pissed him off into an exchange of insults with you. If you were more civil in explaining, he would agree with you.
READ WHAT ALEX WROTE! Nowhere does he categorically classify all accusations as false!
At this point, everything is hypothetical
Mazino's Ex accused him of abuse. This dude switched to rape. IDK how much more obvious I can make it.
You don't realize this, but racists use the same statistics-based argument you are using to discriminate against individuals. It does not matter what the statistics are when evaluating an individual's case. Period.
This is just not how a single human of the face of the earth operates or should operate. You wouldn't expect your doctor to treat ebola as equally likely as the common cold because you are an individual. You do not know what you are talking about. Yes racists do use similar talking points. Part of the reason those points can be so gripping for many idiots is because there is a shred of logic in them. However, racists will intentionally remove or ignore context to make it seem like the causes for those statistics (usually crime statistics) are because of inherent attributes of people of a certain race not because of how our society over polices and discriminate against certain groups. You do not understand what you are talking about.
The western legal system is predicated on "innocent until proven guilty". We do not want to imprison innocent people.
No shit sherlock. Where did I advocate for jailing Mazino? Better yet where did I even say Mazino was guilty (here's a hint you won't find it because I don't assume he is). You talk big game about how I misrepresent this fucker then you misrepresent me. Innocent until proven guilt is a legal standard because imprisoning an innocent person is a violent crime. Innocent until proven guilty is by definition illogical. Being unable to prove a positive does not make the negative true. Just because I cannot prove that there is a star exactly 912.321 million light years away does not mean that there is certainly not a star 912.321 million light years away.
Brother in #13 I contributed to your list on useful questions to ask the psychologist, and in #12 I literally explained to Alex why the psychologist testimony is useful! You are conveniently dodging that fact that he agreed with me in #16. You misinterpreted what he said, and that pissed him off into an exchange of insults with you. If you were more civil in explaining, he would agree with you.
You might have had a point (not really but if I'm being incredibly generous) until again he accused sinatraa's ex of a crime without evidence. He literally proved my point. With sinatraa its innocent until proven guilty, but with his ex she's automatically guilty of having falsified an allegation without any corroborating evidence. He would not agree with me if he holds these opinions. As long as he holds these opinions and as long as you defend him I will say you are scum simple as that. Not believing an allegation automatically is the normal thing to do yes. Insisting that the alleged is innocent to the point of calling an accusation a lie without evidence is not. The real neutral stance is not "innocent until proven guilty" but "idk he might have done it he might not have we don't know until more information comes out but I will not make any assertions."
Whatever I'm done here you're just as scum as him for defending him good luck.
You just pulled this out of ur ass bc this is not what I said and has nothing to do with the gender of the victim. And I'm not taking sides, I always remain neutral. I'm just trying to make sense for the amount of credibility a psychologist could have. Specifically one that's only heard one side of the story. We can even use sinatraa's case. The girl felt abused and accused sinatraa of everything despite both of them taking part in a relationship that got physical multiple times.
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