The strongst region.

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Prasinos

Who win this fight? Emea or Americas?

Emea:

🥇Champions 2021
🥈Masters 2021
🥈Masters 2022
🥈Masters 2023
🥉Lock in 2023

Americas:

🥇Champions 2022
🥇Championa 2023
🥈Masters 2022
🥈Masters 2021
🥉Madrid 2024

The most masters region? Or, the most champions region?
(Edit. I forgot to put Sen masters 2021)
(Edit 2. Transformed madrid in a lock in price)

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Azzelastia

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Champs > Masters > Lock In

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I was thinking of

Champions = 3 points
Masters = 2 points
Lock in (Or tornuments that is just to show the teams) = 1 point

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sentinelmain377

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Champs = 1.25 masters
Lock-in and Madrid or other kickoff like tournaments = 0.75 masters

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Madrid is is a masters bro
Same format as every masters
Double Elimination
The best 2 teams qualify
Meanwhile other masters is usually 3
Still masters is a masters

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How is Madrid not bronze like lock-in

Same kickoff style like tournaments bruh

Madrid is not the same as other masters which require all the actual qualifying and way more matches to qualify

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Prasinos

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Cause its say "Masters".
But is a valid argument, maybe i edit the list.

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sentinelmain377

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They called it masters due to the controversy of lock-in being a non-masters bruh

#45

StalwartTiger_35

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when has the 3 seed of emea ever won a masters? what difference does it make that madrid only had the 2 best teams?

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sentinelmain377

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Are they really the 2 best teams when the kickoff playoffs was literally single-elimination Lmfao

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Comparing Madrid to lock-in makes no sense lmao. LockIn every team auto qualified and it was single elimination playoffs. Half the teams only played one game.

Madrid had an actual qualification system, there was a group stage in the event to determine the playoffs, and there was double-elimination playoffs.

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sentinelmain377

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Not = to a normal masters regardless

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A normal masters is just the same thing but with more teams. It's legit the exact same format except a slightly lower percentage of teams made it to playoffs at Madrid than at a 12-team masters.

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sentinelmain377

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8 team playoffs -> 4 team playoffs bruh

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What's the point? You can't have an 8-team playoffs at an 8-team masters if you also have a group stage. If anything, the 8-team masters theoretically has a higher level of competition. With fewer slots in both the event and the playoffs, only the best of the best can make it.

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Nah not always, like last year champs where the main competition were just some teams, and the rest were fodder. Ya all complain about China having 3 or 4 slots because theyre ass, yet also look down on tournaments that only have the best of the best by limiting the amount of teams.

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sentinelmain377

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Edg got 2 top 6 performances in a row and blg didn’t bilibili all over nrg. Can’t just count the cn slots out.

16 or 12 >>>>> 8

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Idk maybe because NRG, EDG and BLG all werent that good? In Madrid, you could make an argument for any team winning, including FPX. In Champs, NRG, BLG, TL, Zeta, FPX, T1 and Kru were legit all fodders. NRGs decline internally was already visible from champs, they were not that good of a team during that specific period of time.

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gonna be bias either way i dont care anymore

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Prasinos

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I would be bias toward Brazil.

Thin about it, before 2023, Brazil and Americas was diveded, cause Brazil is a big region.
So, if you think in this way, is one champs for both.

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Soddalele

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im just saying this discussion is always gonna be bias and there is no way around it

#23

sentinelmain377

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Ikr
Champs 2022 had 7 amer teams with 3 emea teams
How is that fair bruh

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Prasinos

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Look, if you think, was not 7.
I still saying this but uniting all america was a mistake.

We are too diferent.
Rarely we cheer for each other
Too big region

And a infinite ammount of sucks things.

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I mean, it's not like the 7th seed of any region has ever been a champions contender. Most of the time, if not all the time, the 4th seed of any region is not even a real contender to win. It's not like Americas having more teams actually matters. Emea had more teams in 2023 at Tokyo and Champs and only Fnatic were ever contenders.

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bro forgot 2021 reykjavik

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Prasinos

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Oh yeah mb, the 2022 i have puted, but the 2021 sen masters i forgot.

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americas won masters 2021 as well btw

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groomer

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Americas has the most champs so

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Prasinos

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But if you think.

You could separate Americas from Brazil like was before.

And if that happens, Americas would lose cause Lock in

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Azzelastia

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Then you should not count cis for emea

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Prasinos

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You mean cause Russia can be Asian too?
I think not, Russia say it is European, so is european lol.

Like turkey.

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Redred

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Theres a region of russia that plays on pacific (where something played)

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They were always together lol

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sentinelmain377

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Bro
CIS played in EMEA qualification since 2021

BR played in NA (now Amer) qualification only after franchising

Stfu

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Azzelastia

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Americas >> Emea

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Keep saying that when the only thing keeping americas from not being tied with emea is fraudulant 2022 trophies. EU couldnt send 7 of their active roster players in masters reyk and in champs americas had 6 spots while emea had 3.

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Prasinos

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First of all. Yeah, without 2022 champs would be tied.

Second of all. Fraud is you region.
Brazil smoked Emea for 2 years, NA was smoked only for 1 year, cause Optic beated our asses sometimes.

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BarbaraCult

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brazil smoked emea? with a single trophy brazil was smoking who for 2 years? themselves? also how are you ignoring that 7 players for emea couldnt go to reyk

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Prasinos

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The only trophy you guys winned during 2022 ~ 2023 was when Loud dont faced a Emea team.

Loud at both masters and Champios, was or kicked by some Pacific team (Our weaknes)
Or was beated by Optic

The only time you guys winned against Loud, was in Lock in, and we trowed.

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BarbaraCult

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so you agree that loud was only good for 1 year (they year where emeas first seed didnt even go to masters)

continue thread →

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sentinelmain377

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FNC beat LOUD just doesn’t count? Bruh

Plus if ur team had that many weaknesses, they are just worse than the emea team of the time

continue thread →

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Azzelastia

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Americas 3 Masters
EMEA 3 Masters
Americas 2 Champs
Memea 1 Champs

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Telextro_786

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EMEA > NA
Americas >> EMEA

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W

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EU > NA
EU > SA

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Prasinos

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2022 ~ 2023

Loud 7 - 1 Emea

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EU 5 trophies SA 1

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Prasinos

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Americas 2 champs and 3 masters.
Emea 1 champs and 3 masters.

Want use region? We use regions
Without Estearn Europe, 0 champs

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BUFF163

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When did EU, NA, and SA stop being regions?

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Prasinos

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I tink you dont get it.

Americans is the whole region, but if you want to divide it by SA and NA.

Would be fair to divide Europe by Eastern and western

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Average_NA_fan

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eastern europe carries w0st0rn eur0pe

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BUFF163

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NA and SA were split until 2023, so the Americas only have two trophies: Champs 2023 and Madrid

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BarbaraCult

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Master reyk 2022 has to be the most whacky tournament ever

#29

sentinelmain377

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Ik
Literally the 2 strongest teams from emea couldn’t attend or had 2 subs bruh

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Early

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Wheres China?

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Prasinos

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Eles ainda vão ganhar o Champions desse ano, calmo.

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i'd like to know why madrid and lock in are considered mid.
for madrid:
each region sent their best teams (except maybe americas, which didn't matter because americas won the event)
cn: nobody is debating edg and fpx being the best there
apac: geng (runners up) and prx (top 3 merchants), best from their region easily. double elim wouldn't have meant shit.
americas: lev, 100t, nrg, loud all lost to sen, who won, and the only argument you could make is that nrg could have beat loud in playoffs but it doesn't matter
emea: th and kc objectively the best, navi proved multiple times throughout the year that they are worse than th and kc beat fnc. fnc was not gonna qual over th anyways, and fnc is better than navi so navi wouldn't qual either. kc were truly kickoff merchants, yes, but still top 2 in emea at the time
the only potential problem with madrid was loud farming china to make playoffs, but in the end it didn't matter because sen and prx sat them down. rightfully so, kickoff merchants and china were grouped, with only TH having a strong showing despite going 0-2.

for lock in:
fnc didn't drop a map until loud, and loud were 2 rounds away from reverse sweeping fnc. none of the teams at the event were as good, only the overall placements could have been better (nrg over navi/drx) but fnc would have won in all scenarios and loud would have been the runner ups. both teams went on to win their regional season. single elim, but how is it mickey? who else would have won?

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Prasinos

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Take that 🗡🛡

Ima not read all that. But there it is some weapons to defend Sentinels 🤜🤛

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Gutwi

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KC were just lucky proven by their performance lately

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ctabust

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how is madrid bronze?

#56

BulkyLettuce

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dumbass got bullied by the EU stans to have madrid (a masters event) on the same level as lock in (an invitational single elim showmatch)

you know nothing about valorant

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Prasinos

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Are u mad? Mister 0 champs region?

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what about my region? I'm saying you got bullied (which you did) by the EU stans to put madrid (a masters event) on the same tier as lock in (an invitational single elim showmatch)

nowhere was this about APAC

champions > masters >>>>>>>>> lock in

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Prasinos

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I would consider a valid point... If, you region had a Champions, unfortunately, you seens to lack a Championship

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(I am baiting you budy, i made this too see Eu and Na at war)

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I would consider a valid point... If, you region had a Champions, unfortunately, you seens to lack a Championship

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(I am baiting you budy, i made this too see Eu and Na at war)

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ctabust

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bars

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americas is better

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everything

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Pacific cause geng carried now.

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7whanzussjwbsysbbejskaoao

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Americas is the strongest region because they have 2 Champs

this will change in 2028. All Pacific and CN teams will pull off an upset win against the most overpowered EMEA and Americas superteams

with that said,

#TEWIN x #GENWIN