Who win this fight? Emea or Americas?
Emea:
Americas:
The most masters region? Or, the most champions region?
(Edit. I forgot to put Sen masters 2021)
(Edit 2. Transformed madrid in a lock in price)
Average_NA_fan [#4]bro forgot 2021 reykjavik
Oh yeah mb, the 2022 i have puted, but the 2021 sen masters i forgot.
Azzelastia [#2]Champs > Masters > Lock In
I was thinking of
Champions = 3 points
Masters = 2 points
Lock in (Or tornuments that is just to show the teams) = 1 point
groomer [#7]Americas has the most champs so
But if you think.
You could separate Americas from Brazil like was before.
And if that happens, Americas would lose cause Lock in
Prasinos [#11]But if you think.
You could separate Americas from Brazil like was before.
And if that happens, Americas would lose cause Lock in
Then you should not count cis for emea
Soddalele [#3]gonna be bias either way i dont care anymore
I would be bias toward Brazil.
Thin about it, before 2023, Brazil and Americas was diveded, cause Brazil is a big region.
So, if you think in this way, is one champs for both.
Azzelastia [#12]Then you should not count cis for emea
You mean cause Russia can be Asian too?
I think not, Russia say it is European, so is european lol.
Like turkey.
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Azzelastia [#2]Champs > Masters > Lock In
How is Madrid not bronze like lock-in
Same kickoff style like tournaments bruh
Madrid is not the same as other masters which require all the actual qualifying and way more matches to qualify
Prasinos [#10]I was thinking of
Champions = 3 points
Masters = 2 points
Lock in (Or tornuments that is just to show the teams) = 1 point
Champs = 1.25 masters
Lock-in and Madrid or other kickoff like tournaments = 0.75 masters
sentinelmain377 [#17]How is Madrid not bronze like lock-in
Same kickoff style like tournaments bruh
Madrid is not the same as other masters which require all the actual qualifying and way more matches to qualify
Cause its say "Masters".
But is a valid argument, maybe i edit the list.
Prasinos [#13]I would be bias toward Brazil.
Thin about it, before 2023, Brazil and Americas was diveded, cause Brazil is a big region.
So, if you think in this way, is one champs for both.
im just saying this discussion is always gonna be bias and there is no way around it
Prasinos [#13]I would be bias toward Brazil.
Thin about it, before 2023, Brazil and Americas was diveded, cause Brazil is a big region.
So, if you think in this way, is one champs for both.
Ikr
Champs 2022 had 7 amer teams with 3 emea teams
How is that fair bruh
Prasinos [#21]Cause its say "Masters".
But is a valid argument, maybe i edit the list.
They called it masters due to the controversy of lock-in being a non-masters bruh
Azzelastia [#12]Then you should not count cis for emea
Bro
CIS played in EMEA qualification since 2021
BR played in NA (now Amer) qualification only after franchising
Stfu
sentinelmain377 [#17]How is Madrid not bronze like lock-in
Same kickoff style like tournaments bruh
Madrid is not the same as other masters which require all the actual qualifying and way more matches to qualify
Comparing Madrid to lock-in makes no sense lmao. LockIn every team auto qualified and it was single elimination playoffs. Half the teams only played one game.
Madrid had an actual qualification system, there was a group stage in the event to determine the playoffs, and there was double-elimination playoffs.
BarbaraCult [#25]Master reyk 2022 has to be the most whacky tournament ever
Ik
Literally the 2 strongest teams from emea couldn’t attend or had 2 subs bruh
StutterSt3p [#27]Comparing Madrid to lock-in makes no sense lmao. LockIn every team auto qualified and it was single elimination playoffs. Half the teams only played one game.
Madrid had an actual qualification system, there was a group stage in the event to determine the playoffs, and there was double-elimination playoffs.
Not = to a normal masters regardless
sentinelmain377 [#23]Ikr
Champs 2022 had 7 amer teams with 3 emea teams
How is that fair bruh
Look, if you think, was not 7.
I still saying this but uniting all america was a mistake.
And a infinite ammount of sucks things.
sentinelmain377 [#16]I don’t have alts
I already said lmaoEverything I believe will be stated from this account
Every shit take and cope will be stated from this account
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sentinelmain377 [#26]Bro
CIS played in EMEA qualification since 2021BR played in NA (now Amer) qualification only after franchising
Stfu
Americas >> Emea
sentinelmain377 [#31]Not = to a normal masters regardless
A normal masters is just the same thing but with more teams. It's legit the exact same format except a slightly lower percentage of teams made it to playoffs at Madrid than at a 12-team masters.
Azzelastia [#34]Americas >> Emea
Keep saying that when the only thing keeping americas from not being tied with emea is fraudulant 2022 trophies. EU couldnt send 7 of their active roster players in masters reyk and in champs americas had 6 spots while emea had 3.
BarbaraCult [#37]Keep saying that when the only thing keeping americas from not being tied with emea is fraudulant 2022 trophies. EU couldnt send 7 of their active roster players in masters reyk and in champs americas had 6 spots while emea had 3.
First of all. Yeah, without 2022 champs would be tied.
Second of all. Fraud is you region.
Brazil smoked Emea for 2 years, NA was smoked only for 1 year, cause Optic beated our asses sometimes.
Prasinos [#15]You mean cause Russia can be Asian too?
I think not, Russia say it is European, so is european lol.Like turkey.
Theres a region of russia that plays on pacific (where something played)
sentinelmain377 [#20]Champs = 1.25 masters
Lock-in and Madrid or other kickoff like tournaments = 0.75 masters
Madrid is is a masters bro
Same format as every masters
Double Elimination
The best 2 teams qualify
Meanwhile other masters is usually 3
Still masters is a masters
Prasinos [#38]First of all. Yeah, without 2022 champs would be tied.
Second of all. Fraud is you region.
Brazil smoked Emea for 2 years, NA was smoked only for 1 year, cause Optic beated our asses sometimes.
brazil smoked emea? with a single trophy brazil was smoking who for 2 years? themselves? also how are you ignoring that 7 players for emea couldnt go to reyk
BarbaraCult [#42]brazil smoked emea? with a single trophy brazil was smoking who for 2 years? themselves? also how are you ignoring that 7 players for emea couldnt go to reyk
The only trophy you guys winned during 2022 ~ 2023 was when Loud dont faced a Emea team.
Loud at both masters and Champios, was or kicked by some Pacific team (Our weaknes)
Or was beated by Optic
The only time you guys winned against Loud, was in Lock in, and we trowed.
StutterSt3p [#36]A normal masters is just the same thing but with more teams. It's legit the exact same format except a slightly lower percentage of teams made it to playoffs at Madrid than at a 12-team masters.
8 team playoffs -> 4 team playoffs bruh
sentinelmain377 [#24]They called it masters due to the controversy of lock-in being a non-masters bruh
when has the 3 seed of emea ever won a masters? what difference does it make that madrid only had the 2 best teams?
sentinelmain377 [#44]8 team playoffs -> 4 team playoffs bruh
What's the point? You can't have an 8-team playoffs at an 8-team masters if you also have a group stage. If anything, the 8-team masters theoretically has a higher level of competition. With fewer slots in both the event and the playoffs, only the best of the best can make it.
Prasinos [#43]The only trophy you guys winned during 2022 ~ 2023 was when Loud dont faced a Emea team.
Loud at both masters and Champios, was or kicked by some Pacific team (Our weaknes)
Or was beated by OpticThe only time you guys winned against Loud, was in Lock in, and we trowed.
so you agree that loud was only good for 1 year (they year where emeas first seed didnt even go to masters)
BarbaraCult [#47]so you agree that loud was only good for 1 year (they year where emeas first seed didnt even go to masters)
I tink you dont get it, i am talking for both years.
In 2023 masters we was beated by a Pacific team 2 times.
In Champions we was beated by Pacific and EG.
In both years, besides Fnatic lock in win, Emea dint have win a single time against Loud.
sentinelmain377 [#23]Ikr
Champs 2022 had 7 amer teams with 3 emea teams
How is that fair bruh
I mean, it's not like the 7th seed of any region has ever been a champions contender. Most of the time, if not all the time, the 4th seed of any region is not even a real contender to win. It's not like Americas having more teams actually matters. Emea had more teams in 2023 at Tokyo and Champs and only Fnatic were ever contenders.
StalwartTiger_35 [#45]when has the 3 seed of emea ever won a masters? what difference does it make that madrid only had the 2 best teams?
Are they really the 2 best teams when the kickoff playoffs was literally single-elimination Lmfao
i'd like to know why madrid and lock in are considered mid.
for madrid:
each region sent their best teams (except maybe americas, which didn't matter because americas won the event)
cn: nobody is debating edg and fpx being the best there
apac: geng (runners up) and prx (top 3 merchants), best from their region easily. double elim wouldn't have meant shit.
americas: lev, 100t, nrg, loud all lost to sen, who won, and the only argument you could make is that nrg could have beat loud in playoffs but it doesn't matter
emea: th and kc objectively the best, navi proved multiple times throughout the year that they are worse than th and kc beat fnc. fnc was not gonna qual over th anyways, and fnc is better than navi so navi wouldn't qual either. kc were truly kickoff merchants, yes, but still top 2 in emea at the time
the only potential problem with madrid was loud farming china to make playoffs, but in the end it didn't matter because sen and prx sat them down. rightfully so, kickoff merchants and china were grouped, with only TH having a strong showing despite going 0-2.
for lock in:
fnc didn't drop a map until loud, and loud were 2 rounds away from reverse sweeping fnc. none of the teams at the event were as good, only the overall placements could have been better (nrg over navi/drx) but fnc would have won in all scenarios and loud would have been the runner ups. both teams went on to win their regional season. single elim, but how is it mickey? who else would have won?
Prasinos [#43]The only trophy you guys winned during 2022 ~ 2023 was when Loud dont faced a Emea team.
Loud at both masters and Champios, was or kicked by some Pacific team (Our weaknes)
Or was beated by OpticThe only time you guys winned against Loud, was in Lock in, and we trowed.
FNC beat LOUD just doesn’t count? Bruh
Plus if ur team had that many weaknesses, they are just worse than the emea team of the time
sentinelmain377 [#52]FNC beat LOUD just doesn’t count? Bruh
Plus if ur team had that many weaknesses, they are just worse than the emea team of the time
This analogic doesnt make sense.
Cause if we was """""weak"""""
Emea would be weaker.
Besides Fnatic, do not exist a Emea team who beated Loud.
Against some regions you are weaker.
Dont come with "2022 Fluke" Loud washed Emea as much Pacific washed Loud.
nobody___100 [#51]i'd like to know why madrid and lock in are considered mid.
for madrid:
each region sent their best teams (except maybe americas, which didn't matter because americas won the event)
cn: nobody is debating edg and fpx being the best there
apac: geng (runners up) and prx (top 3 merchants), best from their region easily. double elim wouldn't have meant shit.
americas: lev, 100t, nrg, loud all lost to sen, who won, and the only argument you could make is that nrg could have beat loud in playoffs but it doesn't matter
emea: th and kc objectively the best, navi proved multiple times throughout the year that they are worse than th and kc beat fnc. fnc was not gonna qual over th anyways, and fnc is better than navi so navi wouldn't qual either. kc were truly kickoff merchants, yes, but still top 2 in emea at the time
the only potential problem with madrid was loud farming china to make playoffs, but in the end it didn't matter because sen and prx sat them down. rightfully so, kickoff merchants and china were grouped, with only TH having a strong showing despite going 0-2.for lock in:
fnc didn't drop a map until loud, and loud were 2 rounds away from reverse sweeping fnc. none of the teams at the event were as good, only the overall placements could have been better (nrg over navi/drx) but fnc would have won in all scenarios and loud would have been the runner ups. both teams went on to win their regional season. single elim, but how is it mickey? who else would have won?
Take that 🗡🛡
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BUFF163 [#57]EU 5 trophies SA 1
Americas 2 champs and 3 masters.
Emea 1 champs and 3 masters.
Want use region? We use regions
Without Estearn Europe, 0 champs
BulkyLettuce [#56]dumbass got bullied by the EU stans to have madrid (a masters event) on the same level as lock in (an invitational single elim showmatch)
you know nothing about valorant
Are u mad? Mister 0 champs region?
BulkyLettuce [#56]dumbass got bullied by the EU stans to have madrid (a masters event) on the same level as lock in (an invitational single elim showmatch)
you know nothing about valorant
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Prasinos [#58]Americas 2 champs and 3 masters.
Emea 1 champs and 3 masters.Want use region? We use regions
Without Estearn Europe, 0 champs
When did EU, NA, and SA stop being regions?
BUFF163 [#61]When did EU, NA, and SA stop being regions?
I tink you dont get it.
Americans is the whole region, but if you want to divide it by SA and NA.
Would be fair to divide Europe by Eastern and western
Prasinos [#59]Are u mad? Mister 0 champs region?
what about my region? I'm saying you got bullied (which you did) by the EU stans to put madrid (a masters event) on the same tier as lock in (an invitational single elim showmatch)
nowhere was this about APAC
champions > masters >>>>>>>>> lock in
Prasinos [#62]I tink you dont get it.
Americans is the whole region, but if you want to divide it by SA and NA.
Would be fair to divide Europe by Eastern and western
eastern europe carries w0st0rn eur0pe
sentinelmain377 [#44]8 team playoffs -> 4 team playoffs bruh
Nah not always, like last year champs where the main competition were just some teams, and the rest were fodder. Ya all complain about China having 3 or 4 slots because theyre ass, yet also look down on tournaments that only have the best of the best by limiting the amount of teams.
Prasinos [#62]I tink you dont get it.
Americans is the whole region, but if you want to divide it by SA and NA.
Would be fair to divide Europe by Eastern and western
NA and SA were split until 2023, so the Americas only have two trophies: Champs 2023 and Madrid
BulkyLettuce [#64]what about my region? I'm saying you got bullied (which you did) by the EU stans to put madrid (a masters event) on the same tier as lock in (an invitational single elim showmatch)
nowhere was this about APAC
champions > masters >>>>>>>>> lock in
I would consider a valid point... If, you region had a Champions, unfortunately, you seens to lack a Championship
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(I am baiting you budy, i made this too see Eu and Na at war)
BulkyLettuce [#64]what about my region? I'm saying you got bullied (which you did) by the EU stans to put madrid (a masters event) on the same tier as lock in (an invitational single elim showmatch)
nowhere was this about APAC
champions > masters >>>>>>>>> lock in
I would consider a valid point... If, you region had a Champions, unfortunately, you seens to lack a Championship
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(I am baiting you budy, i made this too see Eu and Na at war)
WhoseTao [#66]Nah not always, like last year champs where the main competition were just some teams, and the rest were fodder. Ya all complain about China having 3 or 4 slots because theyre ass, yet also look down on tournaments that only have the best of the best by limiting the amount of teams.
Edg got 2 top 6 performances in a row and blg didn’t bilibili all over nrg. Can’t just count the cn slots out.
16 or 12 >>>>> 8
nobody___100 [#51]i'd like to know why madrid and lock in are considered mid.
for madrid:
each region sent their best teams (except maybe americas, which didn't matter because americas won the event)
cn: nobody is debating edg and fpx being the best there
apac: geng (runners up) and prx (top 3 merchants), best from their region easily. double elim wouldn't have meant shit.
americas: lev, 100t, nrg, loud all lost to sen, who won, and the only argument you could make is that nrg could have beat loud in playoffs but it doesn't matter
emea: th and kc objectively the best, navi proved multiple times throughout the year that they are worse than th and kc beat fnc. fnc was not gonna qual over th anyways, and fnc is better than navi so navi wouldn't qual either. kc were truly kickoff merchants, yes, but still top 2 in emea at the time
the only potential problem with madrid was loud farming china to make playoffs, but in the end it didn't matter because sen and prx sat them down. rightfully so, kickoff merchants and china were grouped, with only TH having a strong showing despite going 0-2.for lock in:
fnc didn't drop a map until loud, and loud were 2 rounds away from reverse sweeping fnc. none of the teams at the event were as good, only the overall placements could have been better (nrg over navi/drx) but fnc would have won in all scenarios and loud would have been the runner ups. both teams went on to win their regional season. single elim, but how is it mickey? who else would have won?
KC were just lucky proven by their performance lately
sentinelmain377 [#70]Edg got 2 top 6 performances in a row and blg didn’t bilibili all over nrg. Can’t just count the cn slots out.
16 or 12 >>>>> 8
Idk maybe because NRG, EDG and BLG all werent that good? In Madrid, you could make an argument for any team winning, including FPX. In Champs, NRG, BLG, TL, Zeta, FPX, T1 and Kru were legit all fodders. NRGs decline internally was already visible from champs, they were not that good of a team during that specific period of time.
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