why are people counting sen out?

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relaxingpoop

Why mfs actin like sen are gonna get absolutely demolished, we forgettin that sen dominated beginning of the year, and they dominated split 2 after a well deserved break. I believe they gonna take this time to cook up sum and possibly pursue another comp comp those deadlock maps. E.g. for haven, i think they can go the fnc comp w tenz on yoru and zekken on iso, or even if they ain move from deadlock on ascent, they have hella time to refine it. It ain over for sen i have them makin out of groups on upper side. Only teams that can possibly give them trouble is fnc cuz they look unreal or g2 with they second split pre-grand final form.

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no ones counting them out its just that are they better than geng TH and FPX

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th look mid rn from what i saw in emea, they not really that refined, and sure u could make that argument with sen, but johnqt and kap known for having great adaptations. Geng is hard but doable. Geng haven was exploitable and lotus, bind i favor sen. Idk about china recently, fpx looked decent in shanghai but they lack discipline and experience to beat true top level teams rn.

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holy cope, whenever i think sen fans cant get any worse, you delusional fools prove me wrong every time. you can say whatever you want to cope, but its not going to change the fact that sen fell off like a rock in the ocean.

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idk why u think this is cope, team heretics dont look nearly as good as they did in shanghai, in fact they look like a completely different team, i dont watch china much but fpx wasnt that dominant based off the results, the only actual team who could maybe give geng a close game is sen

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It's nothing delusional. Both TH and SEN are looking mid and comparetively SEN is better by strats

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Inort

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It's nothing delusional. Both TH and SEN are looking mid and comparetively SEN is better by strats . TH will only win if they figure out the roles between woot and miniboo. SEN just needed a break

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and sen looked horrible in comparison xD we do have to judge both teams based off potential if they have a bit of time to prepare, since otherwise neither are relevant in this tourney

TH have easily been the most innovative team this year (ok except for china, they be crazy), so your point about sen doing great with time applies to them too

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th only innovated beginning of the year a bit, their split 2 looked ok and readable tbh especially during playoffs. Good point with sen but i just think potential wise, sen is higher. Miniboo looks ultra burnt out and lowk patitek version with woot looked way better. I anyways have geng and sen going out of groups so wtv.

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1% chance of beating TH
10% chance of beating GENG
40% chance of beating FPX

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least obvious emea bias

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TH is burnt out wdym 1%

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sentinelmain377

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1.5 weeks break + 100% motivation to get revenge on SEN (Madrid) and GENG (Shanghai Finals) will give them 1st seed in this group. Trust me

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1 week and a half is not enough to recover, you still need to innovate and scrim, I'm down to believe in you because I like TH but there are limits

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dont respond to this guy hes a baiter

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sentinelmain377

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your name is BulkyLettuce. you are the baiter lol. I dont bait anymore on this site lol.

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do better

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th are horrible and lost to vitality twice and it wasnt close, stop this bait

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did I miss something or why do you rate their chances so low? especially against FPX and TH.

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baiting

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relaxingpoop

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Real Percent Ratings:
TH:~60% chance of beating, not a team known for adaptation and determination for games which matter
FPX: ~90+% chance of beating them
Geng: 30-40% chance, they seem exploitable and not the best team in the tourney****

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dumbest shit ive read today

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7whanzussjwbsysbbejskaoao

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lost me at GEN.G seem exploitable

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Nobody is really counting them out. But based on recent performance, they are probably the 3rd best team in the group. It’s only natural ppl think the 2 best teams go through. But the whole reason ppl call it the group of death is because Sen adds that danger, because in upset is very possible.

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bro....

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I mean there's a reason why Sen is the 4th seed and had to qualify by points. Clearly they aren't in form and clearly the underdogs.

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only team.thru could beat is fpx and that's also 50:50 looking at their recent performances

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Obviously SEN has a chance to go further in this group. Can't count them out.. Gen.G is the only safe pick to get out of this group I'd say.

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finally a good answer, I can only see GenG definitely making it out of this group, and honestly its gonna be a toss up between the rest on who performs on the day

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Sen attracts life games like disney channel stars attract drug addictions.

100T loss? Bang's best game of the year
G2 loss? Icy's best game of the year
Loud loss? Cauanzin's best game of the year
Lev loss? Aspas sets single map kill record

Like they just do something or play some kind of way where their losses tend to co-inside with a roleplayer VASTLY overperforming.

At champs, they're either going to be good or Lakia is going to break the Bo3 kill record. I got $15 on Lakia

Wronghand and his management would like to say this $15 dollars is non-existant and only used as an example to show off Mr. Wronghand's percieved confidence in the ability for other teams roleplayers to have pop-off games against Sen.

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lxolotl

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dont forget qck was shit for 3 games, went against sen and looked like a completely different player LMFAO

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finnwithtwons

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cauan did not overperform he is just that good
also exactly one of the players you named is a "role player" lmao and it was objectively not his best game of the year, he played much better at shanghai

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SEN will beat TH pretty easily imo
https://www.vlr.gg/pickem/70bab8c1

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Recency bias thats all i assume

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relaxingpoop

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nah fr, especially during the beginning of split 2 where people are like "sen are so shit" and had 100 mfin mids winning out or sum.

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finnwithtwons

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sentinels lost to 100t in case you forgot

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relaxingpoop

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They in champs? Legit bang life game then they go back to being mid. Should’ve beat loud at their worst but the lil piggy boosty is a fraud.

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They are losing to FPX (Australia cope we are so cooked)

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What's up with freemea fans thinking sen has no chance against th, they had a good run in shanghai but they aren't even playing with the same roster and has def gotten worse

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Cause they are going to lose against FPX/TH/GENG. SEN isn't as good as they were start of the year.

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shermie

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They've just not looked in proper form. Neither do Heretics, but this isn't the first time we've seen Hererics bottle regional playoffs. So there's more faith in them.

Also FPX is actually a good team, TH and SEN absolutely cannot fall asleep on the wheel, despite the belief that China is ass.