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InNOut_Burger

riot needs to stop simping for ch0na and filling up tournaments with terrible chinese teams who's spots would be better off taken by better teams. ch0na should get 1 spot per tournament until they prove themselves as a region by getting top 4 at one event minimum. i think thats fair right?

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Too much meat.

#3

Hynix

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even though chinese teams are terrible the best way for them to improve is by going to international tournaments.
the only issue I see is that getting first seed in china still reaps the same rewards as getting first seed in other regions, even though the latter is exceptionally harder

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InNOut_Burger

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yeah well i agreed with you maybe a few months ago but its now been two years or so of chinese teams showing absolutely 0 improvement. i will give fpx credit for getting a bit better but they still arent world class

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To be fair almost every 1st seed has loose, and FPX may have be the real seed 1

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UnEstoppable

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But they are the only wins that Shitmea can get, so MEMEA users here are going to come defend them now. Any second now.

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Teams have to face stiffer competition to get better, that's how EDG went from no wins at Champs 2022 to beating teams like Loud, NAVI, etc. If you've really been watching, you would see the Chinese teams (or at least EDG and FPX) have gotten better since their first LANs. Also, Riot taking slots away from China is a hilarious suggestion due to obvious reasons lol. Genuinely believe all other regions slots would be taken away before China's.

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i agree with you overall but edg has been lucky enough to face good teams at their worst state ex:

worst LOUD we've seen at tokyo (aspas on neon all the time)
worst iteration we've seen of PRX at madrid
NAVI (insane fall off since 2022)

and note that they still lost to T1 and TL at tokyo in their best form

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alchemy02

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"Form" is only relative to what the consensus is on a team though. People only say a team is out of form when they lose games they "should" win on paper, which once again is all predicated on what we have watched on these teams prior. The only one I'll say was actual bad form was LOUD, and that's because they actually looked clueless on the map, regardless of win or loss. As long as you have your full roster, I don't think "form" should be an excuse though. Any team losing can be attributed to a team being "out of form" at that point, but bottom line is that it takes a good team to beat a good team. I agree that some days teams look worse, but that can just as easily be attributed to the underdog team playing super well/antistrats/etc. Also, they did lose to T1, but came back and won the rematch. Would you say T1 was "out of form" in the rematch? Probably not. I just think for people that understand the game well, it's obvious when a team has improved vs. flukes.

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Just get a better coaching staff and scrim EMEA/NA teams a lot now that they are in China

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Lucrix

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get someone from overseas