No, LOUD was a project made without them and they were not the first options. They did not take anyone to victory, at most they were a part like everyone else, but that LOUD project was gonna win regardless
Sure they're champs, but that doesn't mean they have the talent to do it again. I think they were just at the right spot at the right time, kind of like players like Kiles
loud did very well under both? it's hard to judge the impact of a coach but loud have looked far more clueless this year than usual (even considering the loss of aspas)