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Louds Problem

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#1
cioccolat

Everyone knows what LOUD is great at; Teamplay, Comp Creation, Mental Fortitude, Sinergy, Punishment and Exploitation of Tactical mistakes.

But the new LOUD suffers from a lack of Individuality, Playmaking and dare i say Independence.
When was the last time we saw a true Play of the Game from LOUD? Cauanzin's Clutch came from a tactical failure on LOUDS part, Less Icebox clutch against geng was simply aim.
their aggressiveness aways come from setplays, and when the players attempt it alone they get punished.

Saadhak isnt stupid, so he must be aware of this, my question is wtf is he gonna do about it? cuz the outrageous comps arent working anymore, hell, the maps they currently look best on have very "conservative" comps.

Also Qck stats and Vods show he is a better defender than attacker, SO SWITCH HIM UP.
Saadhak clearly wont bench him, he trusts the guy, but switch the roles, Tuyz has more Aggression, and since you wanna play Viper every map, PUT Qck on her, He has proven to play well on her, or, since you wanna play Viper every map, Put Qck on Omen or Sentinel!
Omen still has that Duelist soul put with a supportive defensive twist, and since Tuyz has KNOWN great ability usage, he would be a better fit for ability dependant agents like Yoru, Phoenix and Neon, who he was known for playing well in VCB.

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n1cf
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yappers

#3
cartixuzi
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the problem: no aspas
the solution: aspas

#4
Average_NA_fan
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geng won icebox with individual plays, the same individual plays made them lose some rounds to less

you are right tho they lack individual

#5
natusmori
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we need more “Less go kill”

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loloscum
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I dont think individual is a problem, tuyz and less are absolutely insane right now, i'd say they're at their prime. Cauanzin when hes online hes one of the best if not the best initiator in the world but in these last few matches loud played hes been wayyy off, hes missing all of his shots and not doing his insane initiator duelist gameplay where he enters site right next to the duelist.
Like i said in last years champ fnatic vs loud, if cauanzin + less + tuyz are hot on the servers loud wins no matter which match.

#10
Average_NA_fan
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its worth highlighting that the phoenix/yoru comp relies a lot on initiator

#14
loloscum
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True. Also, if you watch loud vlog, cauanzin recently said (i think in the 2nd video of kickoff) that he didnt like to play breach because he has to use a lot of utils and if you notice he needs to be licking walls half the time so yea, loud themselves are kinda holding them back by putting cauanzin in these situations. If they go back to meta comps or at least change their playstyle to a more aggressive one + cauanzin as a 2nd duelist of sorts then i see loud going farther

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EntryKJ
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Yeah, I think Cauanzin is stronger on Fade/Sova.

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cioccolat
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literally need a mf like mw or xand

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WhoseTao
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QCK on viper is aids icl and tuyz is such a good controller than removing him from omen sounds insane. And you are right about lacking individual prowess, that is also why they avoid running him on agents needing that, like jett and raze. That being said, I think he might fit neon pretty well since it will force him to be aggressive and he can really put other teams in an uncomfortable spot, which should give him an edge. The roles cannot be changed imo, just need QCK to lock in really hard.

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cioccolat
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i mean Qck was on a very headless team so he could end up performing better in a supportive role on loud, since they are a more developed team.

but yeah, maybe neon does the trick?

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WhoseTao
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I just dont think its worth removing in form tuyz and less in their roles for QCK to have a chance at a better performance, not right now at least, maybe before split 1 its worth a shot

#12
cioccolat
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Less wouldnt be offrole tho, he always plays Viper in this scenario

#13
WhoseTao
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Im so jobless replying immediately lol but I think you mentioned about putting QCK on viper since Loud runs viper on every map so I was just referencing that

#16
cioccolat
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oh, yeah yeah, in that scenario Qck would be on Viper and Less would play a regular Sentinel, while Tuyz is Duelist and Saadhak is Initiator/Flex

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justo
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Do not take less off the most picked agent right now he is destroying.

#17
cioccolat
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i said either Less/Sentinel & Qck/Controller OR Less/Viper & Qck/Regular Sentinel, but in neither option would Less be another controller other than Viper

#18
justo
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no, what made Loud so successful was that move to keep Less on Viper except on Breeze. I guess with your hypothetical we can see something similar to EG where players share the viper duties. In their breeze comp itd be a pretty easy tuyz and qck switch. If they continue their comp philosophy for most of the maps the most logical idea is to have qck learn controller and keep the no senti. Regardless with Tuyz and Less playing well in their roles it makes no sense to move that around for qck to play something else. The team requires more practice and he will get better as the year goes on

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hellfire
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loud is always tapping heads no matter if they play a slow ascent defense or a fast pearl attack

for some reason I don't see the same team, and the aspas argument doesn't mean a thing since it's more of a chemistry thing that is not there and therefore doesn't translate to gameplay

the weird thing is that in the kickoff every player had INSANE maps and moments, but that's the issue, it may be Less today and Cauan tomorrow but Loud doesn't seem to be online in so many moments.

The comps, I mean if they ran standard comps (some of them that they themselves invented lmao) wouldn't make a difference since Loud has always had set plays that look crazy because the of the player skills to pull that off regardless of agent select shenanigans

Qck needs more time, Pai had good names to choose if he wanted a duelist, but if he picked qck then he needs to eventually get comfortable (which he is) and perform at a high level, since he is Loud's duelist for a reason

#21
cioccolat
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Idk, I feel like something went wrong on the tryouts cuz you mean to tell me no known T2 talent was good enough for him but Qck was???

#22
iann_21
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loud was loud when aspas was loud aspas

#23
Mortadelo
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They’ve gone from aspas to qck, no amount of strategy can make up for the loss of that much individual talent

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