Biggest What if

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What if War didnt happen? Instead of mid teams of 2023 (KOI, TH, KC) we coulda had 3 Russian representatives (!!!) which could have dominated the year of 2023.

TEAM A: RETURN OF GAMBIT

d3ffo (Duelist)
sheydos (Recon)
Chronicle (Flex)
nAts (Sentinel)
Redgar (Controller + IGL)

TEAM B:

something (Duelist)
Cloud (Recon)
trexx (Flex)
vo0kashu (Sentinel)
Vici (Controller + IGL)

TEAM C:

B1SK (Duelist)
purp0 (Recon)
Kr1stal (Flex + IGL)
Insider (Sentinel)
flabben (Controller)

EMEA wins all tournaments for next 20 years?

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cartixuzi

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quick reminder that the entirety of russia isn't european

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But at the same time, 75% of Russian population lives in the European side

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cartixuzi

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quick reminder that the entirety of russia isn't european

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CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer

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Almost all of the players live in the european side. Vo0kashu has also played in the EMEA t2 for sometime.

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Something isnt European tho, he literally lived in Japan for awhile

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CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer

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Almost

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B1itz

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Im talking about your post, you have him on an EU team

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CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer

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Im aware that something lives on the asian side, and so does Kr1stal and probably Vici aswell.

But something is still considered as an EMEA import and therefore you dont have to discuss it.

The whole post is about Russia, not EMEA or APAC

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Er3ngenes1s

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Entirety

True brother. most of the russia region is European but not the "Entirety" of it

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XanXanUk

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who let him cook
edit: now that i think about I like the idea. If all are on the same team u have more team to cheer for

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condsicc

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Gambit return sounds crazy but idk abt the other 2 teams.

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CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer

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Dw.

Team B has something and Vici (both played together and singlehandedly carried Sengoku Gaming. Monsters)
Cloud and trexx are both proven DEMONS like cloud is a clip farmer just search him on youtube "NAVI/GIA Cloud Highlights
vo0kashu is now in Franchising in the China League, he is an insane player you should check his recent vct games

Team C has the KPI core, well K0rya singlehandedly made KPI a joke but seriously these players are really good, B1SK is the second coming of Demon1. Kr1stal is an excellent IGL, almost won APAC Ascension this year with SCARZ. He has a good map pool and is really flexible, and also knows how to shoot back considering he is an IGL. The only questionmark here is flabben, but i couldnt find a better Controller player

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yungbasel

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Why hasn't this Russian team / gambit fantasy died yet? Using the war to justify their poor performance in 2022 is the biggest cope in Valorant history.

Russian players are dope, we get it. Doesn't mean all Russian squads = instant god tier.

Stop using the war as cope. M3C played alot of games in 2022 and simply couldn't win when it mattered, nothing to do with the war.

You can't blame the war for screaM dropping 90 on em in the LCQ finals.

You can't blame the war for them kicking d3ffo and not fully integrating a replacement in that time.

You can't blame the war on them losing to fnatic on split.

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Piter

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This!

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CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer

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Gambit is one of the best rosters valorant history has created. Using war is not a cope their "poor performance"

For Masters 1, M3C played the closest game in valorant history against Fnatic in the EMEA Qualifiers. Them losing 2-0 to G2 was unlucky.
For Masters 2, M3C came a respectable 4th in the Qualifier. They had fucking FNATIC, FPX and Guild infront of them. Do you not realise how stacked that is? FPX went on to win the tournament, Guild was probably one of the best cores in valorant history and Fnatic dominated the qualifier

Then for Champions, they almost qualified in the LCQ, just falling short of Team Liquid which are LCQ demons. M3C almost qualified to Champions with fucking Jady and purp0. You have to acknowledge the fact that d3ffo had a spine problem which hugely impacted his gameplay in 2022.

And then the war. Do you not realize how much of a mental toll this couldve had on the players? The players mustve been under big pressure to qualify for the events or otherwise they wouldnt have a chance to play TOGEHTER in the future. What if the players would have no more future in Valorant Esports due to brand risks? Do you think that the undoubtebly best team of 2021 just randomly becomes bad over a course of months?

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yungbasel

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You're using so many words to dress up the fact that your favourite team couldn't qualify to not one of 3 LANs in 2022. This is borderline obsession.

Pretty sure Chronicle himself even said it didn't have that big an effect on their play during an interview with yinsu? Go look it up.

Lose to G2 = "unlucky?" You're coping way too hard and making excuses for them, there's probably no reasoning with you. G2 out played them.

If you want to blame external influences, then let's give every team that had players dealing with external shit a pass then.

You're talking about "almost" and what is while just IGNORING the REALITY of them not being good enough that year.

The war also affected FPX who legitimately qualified for EVERY LAN that year, and couldn't attend 1 because of it, despite being a top seed.

Ange1 was waking up to news about his home being bombed and couldn't play for weeks. First opportunity he came back and SHIT ON fnatic playing Duelist and 13-0d them. Then won Copenhagen with shao and suygetsu who also faced mitigating circumstances.

M3C didn't magically become bad, valorant is a game where many of the top teams are closely tied and teams fall off ALL the time. Hence the lack of repeat winners until fnatic. This isn't news to anyone except you it seems.

Everything you're saying is rooted in emotional support of your fav team and zero logic. Can't help you

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CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer

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Youre delusional if you think im a Gambit fan. Matter of fact i have never ever expressed any form of emotional connection with the team whatsoever. Sure Gambit had a poor performance in 2022 but you cannot rely on these metrics to call them a bad team.

Look at the players now:

Chronicle is on Fnatic and incredible stats over the whole year
Sheydos is on KOI and despite having a shit team, still put up numbers in the tournaments
nAts is on Liquid and despite having a shit team, still had phenomenal appearances throughout the whole year
You could cut some slack for d3ffo because of the spine problem he recovered from, he is still underperforming but hes not to underrate. Redgar is a troller but him calling in Russian would be a whole different thing.

All of the individuals are still great players and together with ENGHH they could be a roster to fear of again. I dont know why or what are you trying to tell with your messages, youre just stuck in 2022 and trying to say that the roster will fail just because they played bad in 2022.

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yungbasel

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You write a 1000 word essay justifying your gambit fantasy, and I'm delusional? 😂

Someone get this russian groupie away from me.

Please point out where I said they were a bad. You're an emotional wreck, stay off drugs.

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CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer

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First of all I dont do drugs. Dont say random shit please.
Then, the message I wrote was 224 words, not 1000.
Third, im not a "russian groupie" (whatever thats supposed to mean). If you want to be racist, keep it to yourself.
Forth, "Please point out where I said they were bad", what are you trying to achieve with your message then? Is the whole point of your arguments that M3C underperformed, which they did in 2022? Are you trying to say that because of 2022 they wont be good in 2024? I dont see what youre trying to say? Can you have a verbal argument without passive aggresively talking shit about me? Thx

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yungbasel

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Bros deff on drugs. Shrug

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TweezersVLR

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Bro fair enough Chronicle, Sheydos and nAts are W players but not Redgar man please. What is the argument that him calling in russian would be a whole different thing lmfao. Bro can shoot back very well but not a good igl pls

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CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer

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Bro fair enough Chronicle, Sheydos and nAts are W players but not Redgar man please.

How is the IGL that lead Gambit to 2 Grand Finals back to back and won one of them in 2021 not a W player??? And it was not like he was being a bot in the server aswell. This is like calling FNS not a W player because he underperformed in Champions 2022

What is the argument that him calling in russian would be a whole different thing lmfao.

https://youtu.be/mqYcqkcXm-U?feature=shared&t=412

Bro can shoot back very well but not a good igl pls

https://youtu.be/mqYcqkcXm-U?feature=shared&t=710

Sayf talks about Redgar how he is a very structured IGL. Sadly Sayf and Redgars Ideologies clashed and therefore created intern complications in the gameplay. This explaining the poor performances from TL this year.

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Tooker

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I think the war was an amplifier on gambit/m3cs performance. I think we still would've seen a decline, teams like FPX, FNC, and Guild just kinda looked better. Instead of not making a single lan, they probably just been a top 8 team at most events.

The meta didn't suit them, and nAts' play style had already been adapted to.

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Gambit wouldn’t be that good anymore, second team is worse than PRX something just downgraded. Who? On the third team kr1stal can’t 1v5

quick reminder that nats and redgar had sayf and still didn’t do much

Problem with Russian players is that they are the best but there’s no viability especially since the top top players are all scattered.

M3C died on their own and these teams likely aren’t better than fnatic or current vitality with trexx, fut

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yungbasel

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Preach. OP living in fanfiction

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The_Cleg

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That's what I'm talking about.

NA is happy that they are winning something 😂
But the last major before the war (champs 21) was dominated by Emea😹😹😹

Out of 4 groups at the beginning stage
0 were won by a team from outside of EMEA🥶🥶🥶

But NA ppl are happy they are finally good at one game
I get it😃👍

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anyth1ng

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not counting CS, what game is EU so good at? (honest question I only watch val and cs)

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Er3ngenes1s

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Dota2, Rocket league, PUBG are the only ones other than CS i know of but there could be more

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symbols07

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good teams other two, but....

WHOMEGALUL

TEAM C:
B1SK (Duelist)
purp0 (Recon)
Kr1stal (Flex + IGL)
Insider (Sentinel)
flabben (Controller)

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CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer

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B1SK, purp0 and Insider all play on KPI. Now lets put aside the image you probably have in mind because of Kirya, KPI is actually a good team and so are the players. Then Kr1stal is the one who almost lead SCARZ to winning Ascension in Pacific this year. He is a really good flex and also a really good IGL. Finally for flabben, he is just a controller player. Tbh, i couldnt find another good controller player.

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shao

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CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer

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Reserved for NaVi

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Kirya

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im not sure if he would stay on ukranian russophobic org instead of joining Russian one

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Its the core that matters no?

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decent team, but not sure they would be any better than the current top teams in emea. other 2 do have potential

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Liem

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this team beats TH easily

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well thats not saying much, is it

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Er3ngenes1s

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Return of Gambit sounds like S1mple leaving CS and coming back to CS2. Sounds so dope and badass

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CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer

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Return of Gambit is enough to make a grown man cry 😪

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TEAM C:

B1SK (Duelist)
purp0 (Recon)
Kr1stal (Flex + IGL)
Insider (Sentinel)
flabben (Controller)

lowkey a team that would lose to KC in 2023

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and now in 2024 all teams will lose to KC

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alecksdesk

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all shitmea teams*

mainly because KC has n4rrate from the better region, more teams should follow KC's example and just import because their region is so talentless

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no1_chichoo_enjoyer

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i mean I wasn't gonna state the obvious but I appreciate you laying it out

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alecksdesk

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some emea fans on this site are very ignorant, you gotta explain it like they are 5 sometimes.

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Even without the war gambit wouldn’t have qualified for any international tournaments in 2022.

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People forget m3c flopped hard 😭😭💀 that roster was overrated as hell. If they got back together they would flop again

They are all washed except chronicle

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Er3ngenes1s

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overrated as hell

💀 🫵

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m3c was washed

Stop blaming it on the war

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Er3ngenes1s

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Berlin