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Will be very interesting

So far i dont see any incredibely bad teams in EMEA, (maybe KOI or TH but im sure they will find a win here or there). Fnatic on top as usual, second could be literally anybody. Im going for FUT 2nd, then 3rd NaVi, 4th Liquid, 5th Vitality, 6th Giants. But tbh all the ones listed (except fnatic) could be shuffled in any way. M8 looks promising too.

For Americas i cant say anything
From NA: EG and NRG still unknown. 1T is looking horrible but we know that NaturE is just a placeholder. C9 and SEN look very good. G2 will catch up too.
From SA: Cooking HARD. No comments, only excitement

For APAC: Crazy rosters
Im going with PRX first, T1 second and RRQ third. I think we can finally stop counting DRX into top 3 placements, these guys had enough chances to prove themselves and failed every single time. GE, my favourite, has cooked up some interesting stuff, cant wait to see them play. GENG and T1 have cooked up with some great korean talents. For ZETA, please take one of the RBHG players. They are INSANE. For DFM TS and TLN i cant really say anything. Curious to see how yay will work with BLEED.

Your thoughts and preds on 2024?

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KC wins masters, sentinels wins champions, TBD Wins second masters
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KC wins masters

Possible

sentinels wins champions

nuh uh

TBD Wins second masters

Weird way to spell NaVi

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NAVI confusing team cause ardiis didn't look good in NA, FPX core was meh didn't really do good

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Are we forgetting that Shao is a Top 5 Initiator Itw, Suiiiigoatsu is a Top 5 Sentinel Itw, Ange0 is a Top 5 IGL Itw, Zyppan is a Top 5 Flex Itw and that ardiis owns his own burger king?

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no we are not arguing that, on paper they good but when they have to get results they suck

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Fr but i think cNed just didnt fit into NaVi's System because all the NaVi players originally are very flexible (Shao playing Recon/Controller, Zyppan playing Flash/Duelist, Ange1 playing Recon/Controller, ardiis playing Kayo/Chamber/Jett)

On the other hand we have cned which probably has duelist in his urine, bro could not play killjoy but with ardiis we could have different results (just dont let him play sage on bind)

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Ardiis during regular season did have so much impact for the NRG team. People are just looking at the latest BLG games and and just dissing him for no reason. Like in the game against Zeta in champs, he popped off hard https://www.vlr.gg/247096/zeta-division-vs-nrg-esports-valorant-champions-2023-group-stage-elim-c/?game=137389&tab=overview

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He really didn't players like s0m and crashies had more impact than ardiis just cause ardiis had one good game doesn't mean he did good

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Dont know if u read it but i clearly said "Ardiis during regular season did have so much impact for the NRG team." didnt say he had the most impact

This was a game where they won against loud in regular season https://www.vlr.gg/183815/nrg-esports-vs-loud-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w7

And this one was against EG in the lower final in regular season https://www.vlr.gg/189059/evil-geniuses-vs-nrg-esports-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-lbf

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blud thinks KC can win masters but SEN cant win champs :skull: x7

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SEN are good but unfortunately FNATIC and PRX will be the top 2 teams of 2024
KC will have cindarella run

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So far i dont see any incredibely bad teams in EMEA

You clearly haven't looked then. Every shitmea team looks attrocious, I think next season its just gonna be karmine corp sweeping this farmer's league.

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Can you give me an explanation to each team why the are atrocious? Would appreciate that. Thanks in advance!

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In short, his eyes were too blind to see FNC, NAVI, FUT, Vitality, Liquid(apeks core) etc. The list goes on but these are the powerhouses

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Im talking dead honest here, without bias. We have no bad team in EMEA so far. Last year you couldve pointed fingers at TH for having fucking mixwell but this year every team has solid players, new talents from T2 and no frauds

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I literally just agreed with ur statement/opinion 🗿

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Yeah i just tried to solidify it. Sorry if it sounded offtone

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his eyes couldn't see FNC, NAVI, FUT, Vitality, Liquid(apeks core)

All I see is fraud, fraud, mid, decent, utter shit.

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Expected from y0y meateater 🗿

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gamb0t flair... just let it go man they disbanded like 2 years ago

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"gamb0t flair" https://www.vlr.gg/34979/envy-vs-gambit-esports-valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin-gf

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And where were did they go the very next year?

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and where was ur envy/optic this year? even without any political issues/wars, Flopptic still got trashed out 🗿 . At least gambit org had reasons to force their exit

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AT LEAST I MOVED ON
LMAOOOOOO

continue thread →

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FNC --> Won 2 tournaments this year. This already falsifies your statement of 'fraud'
NAVI --> Top 4 LOCK IN, won 12.8 rounds in Champions this year. This also falsifies your statement of 'fraud'
FUT --> Defo not mid, look at their games in rbhg. This also falsifies your statement of 'mid'
Vitality --> Better than decent, they have one of the best duelists itw and some good T2 talent. This also falsifies your statement of 'decent'
Liquid --> Literally the best players in T2, GOAT of valorant and Jamppi. These also falsify your statement of 'utter shit'

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Fut clears but using redbull games as a reference is wild 🤣

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I mean they showed good performance in champs aswell but rbhg is the latest info

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fraudnatic lost to bronzil twice, failed to make top 3 at champs, and almost lost to a bottom 8 Americas team with a sub recently in a bo5.

dogvi is lucky daddy fnatic carried their region to 2 fluke trophies otherwise they wouldn't have even been in champs and tokyo. also got grouped both times.

fut is meh, they aight but kinda mid at champs and lost to clown9 the other day. could be just an upset tho idk

vit look good on paper, but they got a completely new roster and we haven't seen them play at all. So can't say much about them

LULQUID kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
literally gonna be nAts 1v9 next season

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Fnatic lost 3 games in 2023, two of them were to Loud. Cant understand why you call LOUD 'Bronzil' when they have been carrying the whole american continent until EG suddenly got good. Regardless of bad performances they still got top 4, since when is top 3 in champs a guideline whether a team is a fraud or not? also rbhg doesnt matter lol they were literally in holidays without prac

The logic on NaVi wont work, if Fnatic wouldnt have won the tournaments NaVi wouldve fought harder for the LCQ spots and won them regardless. Id suggest you doing some research about a phenomenon called the 'Butterfly effect'.

You literally state that you cant say anything about vit because its a new roster but then call out Liquid even though they have a new roster just like vit??? Are you braindamaged?

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Sorry, but I don't agree with any of your points. Since I don't want to hurt your feelings, let's agree to disagree.

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How does one win 12.8 rounds?

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I meant 12.8 rounds per map, mb

NaVi played 3 Games: 8 Maps.
NaVi won 103 Rounds out of these 8 maps. 103/8 = 12.875 Rounds won per map. All the NaVi matches so incredibely close, they were 2 rounds away from qualifying to Playoffs

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Braindamaged y0y fan

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goudass 🗿

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I wish 😔😭

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Can you give me an explanation to each team why the are atrocious?

No thanks, or else I'd be here all day writing a whole godamn essay.

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true kc goated 🗿

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I think we can finally stop counting DRX into top 3 placements

I think that's the only thing you can count them for, top 3 but never winning
They are only just good enough to stay in that top 3 still

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That too, they placed top 3 once in an international tourney which was a honeymoon period for them 🗿

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I agree internationally they can't touch near top 3 anymore, but regionally they are still strong in apac

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They placed top 3 and top 4. Tokyo was just due to burnout.

Champs it showed that they needed to make changes/upgrades as every other top team has improved faster than them.

They will still go to internationals and still be top 3 in Pacific unless T1 and Zeta threatens their spot to join PRX, Bleed in top 3.

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Doesnt matter, Doctor X only be good at getting placements at their best 🗿

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Controversial take, but if DFM dropped their roster and picked up the Fennel roster, maybe making 1 change, they would have a serious chance at qualifying for a LAN.

I personally favor bringing Xdll back into the roster, but I think the org isn't keen on that at the moment.

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Agreed.

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fnatic def top 4, as usual. loud also def top 4. i don't see how prx won't be top tier as we're still in a rush meta. im hoping g2 is the NA top tier after the whole story w/ ascension. those are my picks.

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koi will be very bad trust me on this, kamo is decent and trexx is really good but the other players are washed/always bad

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sheydos still got it

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if DRX make another top 4 or 5/6 placement they are still #1/2 in APAC lol. they just can't make it past that final step to winning