TOP 5 current razes

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cboomer

In terms of entry prowess and utility usage, not who's a better player, who's the better raze. If you can't comprehend that, sorry.

1 Jawgemo
2 Whzy (debate it with yourself, i saw the proof at champs)
3 Zekken
4 Aspas
5 Derke

HM

Victor has really good utility on raze but his last season takes him off top 5, Keznit, Sayf, and nukkye are around the level Derke is in terms of utility usage. Monyet will be top 4 by the years end, always had good usage in T2 just have no proof atm that he can maintain that level at T1 but I believe.

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I mean jinggg? 2 nd at least. If it's like past season since this season hasn't started

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“current” he’s not playing right now

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tbh currently as of now he still probably would clear those guys as raze lmfao

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He's not a current player

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my problem with the top 2 is that the reason their util usage is good is bc of communication with teamates this is especially the case for whzy so if he was on another team for example he probably wouldnt be nearly as good of a raze.

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i mean that’s kind of a given, he was hard carrying blg for a while so they finally built a decent enough team for him

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Asuna_Yuuki

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Bro have you watched all the comms videos or something

I think you’re just waffling

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Zerphyr1

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whzy is good but his whole team is practically centered around him and his teamates are focused on giving him good util so he can get kills as entry, most teams are not like this so I don't think he will do amazing if he switches teams for instance.

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cboomer

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I mean yeah.. but his team is billi billi gaming, why tf would he put up worse numbers with the fnatic roster lol

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Zerphyr1

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did u read?

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Can you comprehend that his team was garbage for the most part compared to the rest of the top 7 at champs

What are you trying to say, his teammates play raze for him or something 💀I’m not sure how his team being focused on him makes his actual utility look better because most raze entries are supported by full team execs bro.

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he goes judge on split for instance and so his teammates are fully focused on stunning and using SOOOO much utility to ensure he gets maximum value. He used to be the hard carry for blg and so his teammates accepted that a fair bit ago and their strategies are based on how we can exploit whzy which no other team is doing to this extent for their entry player.

all whzy has to do is plan a certain execute with his team in scrims and repeat that in the match and now suddenly he is the 2nd best raze player itw? My point is that if we are talking about skill on raze he is not top 3 and probably 5 itw but his util looks good bc of his teammates amazing setups that help his tremendously.

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juho
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omg :33 tyyy

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Jingg = jawgemo if not better even jawgemo agrees on that. But yh as jingg is not here jawgemo the raze goat currently

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https://www.vlr.gg/248277/paper-rex-vs-evil-geniuses-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-gf/?game=all&tab=performance

jawgemo +13 against jinggg...

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https://www.vlr.gg/248276/paper-rex-vs-evil-geniuses-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-uf/?game=all&tab=performance

Jinggg +3 against jawgemo

https://www.vlr.gg/220454/evil-geniuses-vs-paper-rex-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-lbf/?game=all&tab=performance

Jinggg +2 against jawgemo

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So Jawgemo +8 overall

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Zerphyr1

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yes but my point is you can't just bring up a small amount of games and say one raze is better compared to the other based of 1v1 duels.

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dapada

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a list without jingg is a fraud list

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cboomer

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sadly, they dont run raze in the signapore army comps

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savage

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Jingg
Whzy
Derke
Jawgemo
Aspas

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Shawn23

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He said current and zekken has show so many games on why hes a top raze, even today his sachels and nades were good asf today and derke is not that good of a raze.... Remove jingg and derke from this thanks <3

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i find it so funny that derke was the 4th highest rated on fnatic in champs and so people are now ranking him not even in the top 5 which is insane since they have been so dominant all year round and derke has been considered top 3 best player itw for 2022 and 2021 but now that his team does good hes not even top 5 itw for his role?? derke is still top 5 duelist.

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Pondy

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Recency bias is a hell of a drug.

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Shawn23

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you can put most duelist in that fnatic comp and they’ll do good, but derke is a good duelist but his RAZE is not top 5 worthy. his raze is like a B+ at best lmao.

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his raze is legit better than his jett

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cboomer

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could you comprehend this list? Derke very well could be #1 if we go by best player, best player does not mean best raze. It's sickening how low iq people are. Derke does NOT have better UTILITY USAGE on RAZE than anyone above him, at all.

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his util is amazing and that doesnt relate to my point of recency bias. how come he was considered top 3 if not top 1 raze player in 2021 and 2022 and now that fnatic is doing well he isnt even top 5? his util usage has only gotten better. I would say that derke is the best raze at entrying and impact, sure I wouldnt say his nades and boombots are amazing but everything else I would consider great. Just look at the stats bro has so many first kills and has a very high adr.

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cboomer

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I agree but it’s not an insult to be #5 in the world lol, players above him just have way more fluidity. Derke is still massively effective but the players above him are just as good entrying maybe except whzy who’s not on their level just yet but his utility is undeniably amazing. Also not everyone has the same team derke has, which has to be taken into account.

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Derke is not a better raze then jawgemo, it’s not even debatable jingg and jawgemo were top 2 by far

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Jingg
Jawgemo
aspas
Zekken
~~TenZ~~ Derke/ Sayf/ keznitdeus/ nukkye

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Wtf is this "current" if jingg is not on the list? Jawg, aspas, derke haven't play raze yet since champs

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he probably means next season

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On the basis of a showmatch zekken is top5 you all braindead as hell
Comparing him with all the other who have been to multiple Lans and have performed at every
Sure zekken can be top10 but top5 hell nah

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cboomer

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He’s literally been a top 10 raze/entry since champs 2022 lmfao

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Mortadelo

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So how does he go from 10 to 3

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Tenzsexual

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Improvement over time and other players regressing. Ik shocking that players' performance changes over time.

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Sure but wtf does “ He’s literally been a top 10 raze/entry since champs 2022 “ have to do with him being a top 3 rn

You’re absolutely delusional if you think Zekken is even a top 3 Raze in Americas

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cboomer

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He's been a top 3 raze in americas for well over a year bro

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apparently putting up decent numbers on a shit team makes you a top player 😭

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So i've seen this point a lot and not to be a stat Andy but how is that the case? I admit he passes the smoothness eye test, but we're talking about Top 5 in the world. I think the top 5 all equally look smart and smooth on the character, but it's more about how they perform no? At Champs 2022 he was the 7th/10th rated Raze, He had a 5th place ACS and ADR but his K:D and entry success rate where near the bottom. He was good and flashy but not efficient, not to mention his Bind performance against FPX. Then we get into 2023 and even if we ignore lock in he was tied for 4th just in Americas in Rating, behind guys like Victor Asuna and Jaw. That's not to mention the 9 players rated higher in the other two regions. Again it was an efficiency thing. Even if you blame it on the ineptitude of SEN, we can go to LCQ and the story is the same. Keznit way outperformed him overall, and in a win or game home game against LEV he has an abysmal Fracture. Trexx in EMEA was also a step ahead, not just Keznit. So he has always been good, but when has he been top 5 IN THE WORLD? I watch all his games, I root for SEN, so I'm not just giving you blank stats with no context. In 2023 he was behind Trexx, Keznit, Jaw, Jingg, Whyz, Victor, Aspas, Derke, and quite a few more, and in 2022 Champs he wasn't the best, maybe you could sneak him into top 5. I like him a lot, but this is the year where he has to PROVE he is top 5, not just be on lists because he's cracked and well liked. Because so far, especially in win or go home games, he is not even close to that level.

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Where would scream be if he was not igling and on a team rn

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Tenzsexual

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Top 10 maybe but not top5 fasho. Not enough consistency and his util is alright.

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cboomer

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honestly haven't seen scream utility usage on raze, hes a top tier duelist I just can't rank his utility

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ScreaM is just a good rifler, he's never had exceptional utility on any agent. That's why he was always great on Reyna and Phoenix, because their main job is rifling

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People trying to bring zekken up as a top 5 Raze in the world when he barely is just in Americas.

Keznit and Jawgemo are the 2 best Razes in americas idk how no one is mentioning Keznit. Aspas raze is also better than zekkens, who is probably more like tied next to Victor, or even mwzera or King

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cboomer

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Going to address this because like.. it's so moronic lol. He was a top 5 entry 2022 champs..
https://www.vlr.gg/107743/optic-gaming-vs-xset-champions-tour-north-america-stage-2-challengers-gf/?game=88873&tab=overview

was doing this on raze vs optic a year ago man

Not accepting any casual opinions, in terms of ENTRY ability and UTILITY usage zekken is so easily top 5 and i would have said this before this match.

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Mortadelo

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Bro names the thread "TOP 5 current razes" and procedes to link me a year old thread with a not even that good of a game.

Also is being a Raze just being a good entry, sure zekken is a good entry. But if you click on FKPR you'll see he was top 3/4 Raze entry in Americas this past split and even worse in other categories https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1189/champions-tour-2023-americas-league?exclude=&min_rounds=0&agent=raze

I'm sorry but there is absolutely no reason to rank zekken that far up, I'm sure you can be very high on how good he is and be very impressed by the eye test, but saying he is currently top 3 in the world is absolutely delusional

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cboomer

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Listen I know you lack some critical thinking, Zekken is on sentinels his numbers would be better if he played with loud or fnatic lmfao

Watch valorant, stats are to show he didn’t come from nowhere this isn’t a recency bias list, it’s a who plays raze the best list. Cry all you want but there’s absolutely no planet where keznit or aspas have better UTILITY usage than zekken lol. Not many players are as natural on the agent.

Again bro, it’s okay to be wrong you picked a bad battle, I’m generally just always right and this something I’m sure is hard to get used to.

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I was gonna reply to the none sense you're typing but then I read the last paragraph and now all I have to say is xD

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cboomer

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I told you it’s okay, you spend so much time in your grease chair keeping up with the Val scene but don’t watch enough games to comprehend how stats could never correlate who’s the best raze player.

I’ll teach you bro dw

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least delusional sen flair :

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Zekken
Derke
Jawgemo
Keznit
Whzy

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Tenzsexual

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I love zekken but Jawg is clearly the best raze itw.

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I don't like him,but keznit is way better as raze than zekken

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Him aspas zekken can be argued for any one of them tbh. Derke is great on Raze too but that's more of his mechanics/performance than entry ability/util.
Id personally go Zekken Kezint Aspas

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No Jingg

1 Jawgemo
2 Aspas
3 Derke
4 Keznit
5 Whzy

With Jingg

1 Jingg
2 Jawgemo
3 Aspas
4 Derke
5 Keznit

Based on my opinion, you can have a different one, i just don't see zekken as top 5 razes for now.

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Where do you have zekken then I can understand not top-5 but he absolutely has to be the next guy on the list. Maybe zyppan, Vic or Kingg can be argued but thats a losing argument imo

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6 Zyppan or Whzy*
7 Either Fit1nho or Zekken ig.

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Zekken isn't above Derke

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cNed COPIUM

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Asuna_Yuuki

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Smh my head

ppl forgetting about Victor

Victor at least top 3

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cboomer

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Where was Victor when NRG needed him is the real question?
https://www.vlr.gg/247094/nrg-esports-vs-bilibili-gaming-valorant-champions-2023-group-stage-opening-c/?game=137384&tab=overview

Lol

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Bro said whzy. hes gonna get exposed hard with the judge nerf. wont make a single lan next year

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cboomer

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Tex alt still reps guard interesting

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TREXX.
He's been pretty underrated. His Raze was mad impressive back on guild. Now he doesn't play it as much.

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yeah his raze and sheydos were carrying KOI this season hard.

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in no order
Derke
Jawgemo
Whzy
Victor
Aspas

Trexx and Keznit are as well in the convo but there teams arent great

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Hello, where is Alfajer? why is no one mentioning him?

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The recency bias against Derke is unreal. He’s been a top raze since Champions 2021. He won Tokyo by only playing raze as a primary duelist. I find the “detach the player from the agent” so stupid, the same argument people make for c0m being better at Sova than leo, beyond braindead. Derke is an objectively better player, has the best nades and produces the most impact when he plays raze over the likes of Zekken and Jawgemo who have been tier 1 players for less time than Derke has been playing in grand finals.

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derke is a better player, no way you can watch derke play raze and think hes better than jawgemo lol

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blud put zekken and whzy above aspas and derke you must be delusional holy

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Mfs saying zekken even though he got diffed by zyppan on raze lol.

As a raze main, i will say top 5 in no order.

Keznit, Derke, Jawgemo, Whzy and Victor/Aspas

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Bro said zekken😹😹😹😹😹😹