are GC players good enough to be in franchise or at the very least get trials?
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Nah bro, don't think that uk anything about the preps and starts that go into a team's performance. It's not like mel's a nobody l, she's been around for considerable amount of time. Even if she does play in a closed circuit, doesn't mean she does not try her best to achieve the highest for her and it is very disheartening to see her not even getting trialed for a team becuz she is a woman( not becuz it's a skill issue, it wasn't stated anywhere)
And to add some objectivity, it's not like meL is just one of thousands, she has built her reputation in the GC scene pretty well. If she didn't get trialed cuz there are better options, skill issue, role issue, etc. is another issue
not even the best talents in tier2 get trials for teams in tier1 at times but they think these players deserve a trial because they performed in GC lol, lets not pretend trials are fair and based on merit even for tier1 teams, its all about who you know and who you are friends with sadly unless you are literally walking on water in tier2
since gender doesnt matter then by this logic there are a 100+ players worth of a trial in NA alone, for obvious reasons this is not viable so you need to be efficient and GC players are objectively not good enough and that is clear to anyone with a working brain, those who say the opposite are just being dishonest tbh
so far no game changer player has shown that they cant perform in t2 or even t3, what makes u think experience will be enough to make players who arent even good enough for t2 ready for world class level of competition? competition is fierce and there is 10 times more male players grinding t2-t3 since 2+ years ago, there is objectively 0 reasons to believe what you are saying will happen
IMO there are few who would be good enough to be in franchise, and a few more who would be good enough for t2. I'm not going to pretend I am anywhere as good as they are, but IN MY OWN OPINION I think that if no one actually takes a change on a gc player, then that barrier will never be broken and it will continue to be the same. I like to think of it like the Chinese orgs. Once one team (EDG) won their first game, they kept winning more, and then another team started to win (BLG). It's just a barrier that needs to be broken.
(small thing but I think it's silly to quantify t1 and t2 as vastly different skill levels as there are definitely t1 teams worse than t2 ones)
Cmon lets be honest, the level of skill between GC and chinese teams isnt even comparable, even if they werent that good as a team you could see they were insanely talented individuals. I genuily dont think there is a single GC player that is good enough for anything other than t3 other than transgender male to female players who used to play in male teams before that. I think the next step for GC players is to start competing and giving importance to the open circuit but this is more of an ideal than a realistic prospect, they get paid really good salaries in GC and the prize pool for tournaments is great, in the end this is a job and you need to get paid, as long as there is 0 incentives for them to try to make it in the open circuit the situation wont change, anyone that has competed in valorant at a decent knows how many really strong players are even at t5 that are grinding like crazy everyday with the hopes to make it, the competition is fierce in sports and if u wanna make it u need to take the hard route instead of the comfortable route which is GC, if there are female players out there who choose the hard route they have utmost respect
I dont play or watch valorant much these days but I used to watch some GC from time to time, specially the World Championship, in my honest opinion they arent even good enough for t3. G2 Gozen won Worlds and from my experience in EU ranked where I queued against some of them in the past and also from other teams they arent good enough even compared to t4-5 level while they were the world champions, in NA where there are so few slots in franchise it makes it even more difficult. I would be surprised if there is even 1 GC player who is good enough for t3, I dont follow the scene so if u have any names I am all ears
Depends on what the bar for T1 is
Ignoring all language barriers, Florescent in terms of pure individual ability would be better than Seoldam on DFM
meL would probably perform at around the same level as Koldamenta on KOI as an IGL
Mary individually could probably perform better than Newzera on KC
Bstd could IGL better than mazin no doubt
Bob was already a promising player in NA tier 1.2 on soniqs, and she's only improved; although competition might be stronger nowadays
Bob wasnt good on soniqs specially considering how much competition has improved nowadays, I disagree with all of this, I think you are underrating how good even the worst players in t1 are, ofc I am talking about individual skill since I have no idea about how meL or Bstd are as igls. I asure you that Mary wouldnt perform better than Newzera, Florescent seems promising tho but better than Seoldam is a bold take, Seoldam might have perfomed like shit but he is very talented individually, if he was playing in v1 in the place of florescent he would be literally farming too, dont underestimate how good these top pros actually are compared to even very skilled players and how big the gap between GC and even t2 is
I think you're underestimating how well GC players actually perform when put into coed teams. During the midst of champions two undisclosed V1 players were scrimming alongside other NA talent and performing pretty decently against top VCT teams.
You can never really know how good a player is unless you put them in the rightt environment to prove themselves and while until that point I can only speculate, but from what I have to speculate on I think it's less an issue of some underestimating the bottom feeders of VCT and more overestimating the impact they're actually having on the teams they're on
It's everyday nowadays that we see great players performing like shit on bad teams and bad players shining a new light on themselves when put into the right team environment.
me watching their gameplay.
meL is a good IGL, perhaps a bit too loose in her calling but still pretty competent. I feel like she has to put her foot down more often when she calls. Relying on teammates to come up with ideas and be vocal is good but sometimes it looks like she clearly sets up for one plan but her teammates end up not committing to it. Maybe I just have a bias towards more structured teams but her midrounding is very good to make up for it at least.
Florescent has godly aim but she overheats relatively often. She isn't really as methodical with her entry pathing as she should be, but she's been improving in that regard lately. She's incredibly flexible in her duelist agent pool which is a huge + in her favor.
with bstd tbh this is honestly me just shitting on brazillian IGLs (excluding saadhak) more than anything. She makes good calls and I see genuine structure in her team
I honestly dont think there are any that deserve trials, if we are being fair and not taking gender into account then there at least a 100 players who deserve trials above them, obviously this isnt possible so as an org u need to be efficient, I would consider it special treatment if they got trials ahead of other talented open circuit players, ofc esports is all about who you know and its not always merit based so my argument is kinda flawed but you get the point, it would still be unfair for those players and unefficient for orgs to waste time trialing players that are 99% not good enough, only one I would consider trialing is probably florescent
That's your opinion sure, but I think some of the GC players are really underrated. The more I think about it too, I'm kind of in favor of a team just taking a punt on one or two of the best GC players, simply because there has to be a way to get into T2/T1 without being on a team that qualifies. Ik this might sound a little unfair, but until any GC player gets added to a mix-team or a team qualifies, they're kind of just stuck. Hopefully, V1 can make it into challengers next year, but it kinda sucks teams only get one chance to make it.
as you said it is unfair, its equally hard for male players to get to those levels too, the amount of players that get to those levels is the 0.001%, there are way more males specially at the higher levels in valorant, if there ever is a time where GC/female players are good enough for challengers they will get the chance naturally, in the end if you are good enough you can always prove your worth in the open circuit and grind your way, u shouldnt get any special treatment and I think as competitors thats something they probably dont want either, I would feel like shit knowing I only got trials or signed because of my gender, also I think its not my opinion and its just a fact that they arent good enough and I dont see V1 making it to challengers or even getting past open qualifiers, but yeah the format is shit, I stopped watching any valorant outside international tournaments since the format for t2 is terrible and the franchise leagues are a snoozefest, a closed scene where everything is ran by Riot sucks, I wish it was like csgo even if you are literally 5 no namers and you grind your way in qualifiers and make a name for yourself you can make it regardless of who you are since its all merit based
I do agree that the players themselves don't want to be just given a chance, but I was more referring to T2 than T1. Ik even then it's still unfair, but there's what, 12 teams that qualify, meaning there are 60 spots I find it hard to believe that a few GC players don't deserve 2 or 3 of those spots. The only thing really stopping any T3/T2 team from making a mixed-roster is that they'd be the first to do so, and thus, they'll get looked upon much closer. As for T1, it's just trials really, maybe none of the players would make it via trials, but that's really the first step.
No. They just need to stay on their lane and be the best of the best on GC competitive scene. And be proud of that. Thats should be the main goal of their career. No need to get a trial on franchised team. If no franchised team out there willing to give trial to them, its simply because they just doesnt want any woman on their team. Thats why riot made GC.
Btw is there any eu gc players out there that have same concerns as meL?
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