u guys think that americas is uber competitive and they have the most depth. have u not considered that they just all happen to be almost equally mid? NA talent is for sure more spread out than in EU bc of Fnatic, but tbh NA doesn't even have a single player in top 10 itw, except maybe Crashies. SA has 2 in Aspas and Less, but even then. EMEA has Alfajer, Leo, Chronicle, Derke, Shao, Sayf, Nats, Suygetsu, all contenders for top 10.
here is a fact: NA LAN titles + SA titles = 3. EMEA titles = 5
are u actually asking?
Is this a serious question bro. This is like comparing NYC to the Florida everglades
oke i'll take your word for it.
i don't believe all comparisons of cities to suburban or less urbanized areas are always fair.
especially when taking out of considering rent and the environment.
this is coming from a person who's lived in a really nice suburb in TX for a while.
but ye im not too sure abt the conditions of alabama, just wondering
from a man in georgia
lol this is just not true you obviously havent been to france. frances qol is definitely not as high as you think
the biggest cities in paris have a lot of dangerous neighborhoods (in french we call them arrondissments), and some of them are literally un-livable and places you DEFINITELY should never go when visiting france (like the 19eme arrondissment, 8eme this is an exception it has champs elysees and what not, 10eme)
there was a documentary a couple of years ago that showed the life of gangs in big cities and a lot of them had real aks and shit
theres also a huge sdf (homeless) population in france, not to mention the real life gta shit thats happening rn in paris
but if your talking about like red neck lifestyle as low qol, like in alabama, theres plenty of places like that in france too. there was a real life lore video that explained this pretty well but 1/3 of france is uninhabited and occasionally you'll find some farmers and shepherds. theres also a huge rural population in places like Bretagne
but you cant just look at purchasing power to measure qol because most of alabama's food is homegrown in farms and shit and people dont need to buy many things
marved is overrated, his reykjavic performance is just so good its still fresh in ppls minds. he's still the best smokes after Mako tho, but he's handicapped by SEN
yay is underrated, best 1yr performance of anyone ever, but sadly hes relegated to Tier 3 and I can't put him on the list rn. hasn't proven he can succeed in post Chamber meta.
who the fuck said na deserves more spots? emea reading comprehension?
americas teams placed 2nd, 4th, and 7-8th at tokyo bruh, proving once again that they have the potential to win and that the region as a whole is well rounded and competitive. without your superteam saviors fnatic, yall wouldnt have won shit in the entire past year aswell.
yall wouldnt have won shit in the entire past year aswell.
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In 2022 only FPX won a trophy for EMEA. That was without any of the current FNC players.
Also, can I point out how stupid this argument sounds? "Bro without some of your best players, you wouldn't have won!"
That's like me saying if OPTC had n4rrate instead of yay and shanks for marved in 2022, they would not have made it to top4 last year at all. Do you even realize how dumb this sounds? "Bro, LOUD with The Union players instead of their roster wouldn't have won anything!", duh dupshit. It doesn't take 500 iq to figure out that replacing key players will make the team worse.
"EMEA teams suck except for fnc, we should rename the region to FNC region"
lets review the facts:
In the time it took NA to win two international competitions (Masters Reykjavik twice, with a years gap between each win), EMEA has won FIVE. (This is counting LOCK//IN, which was an international competition.) IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME.
NA, during this period, had two of the best players of all time in their prime. Yay, and TenZ.
Even with this firepower edge in 2021 and 2022, EMEA won more trophies, proving our players are better on average (god forbid you mention botshies and bottor, most overrated winners in the scene. Well, vic's alright since he creates space but crashies cannot play internationally and is still being rated "top10 of all time".)
To say that emea is a "dogshit region" while YOUR region, combined with the rest of america still has two less trophies than us while having a MUCH larger population (Continental Europe has around 750 million while Americas as a whole has more than a billion total) is total bullshit. Why don't we talk about how much of a choker region NA is?
In total, NRG/OPTC make up the only team out of NA to have top 4 finishes from 2022 to now, with the only other team in this category being the recent runner-ups, EG.
In fact, Brazil has almost as many top4 finishes while having more top2 finishes than NRG/OPTC. (BR have LOUD who placed 2nd in reykjavik, 1st in champs and 2nd in LOCK//IN to OPTC finishing 1st in reykjavik and 2nd in champs.)
EMEA meanwhile, had their top4 finishes in FPX, who placed 1st in copenhagen, 4th in champs, 3-4th in LOCK//IN and FNC who placed 1st in both LOCK//IN and Tokyo to make it a total of 5 top4 finishes to NA's (OPTC) 6. Keep in mind, NRG are responsible for 5 out of them.
While FPX/NAVI are responsible for 3/5, with FNC only recently adding to this top4 pool with 2.
Keeping that in mind, NA is the more "one team region". For two years, NRG was the only good international NA team. (EG only recently starting to play good).
EMEA still have more top1 finishes. Copenhagen, LOCK//IN and Tokyo vs Reykjavik and Champs '22. NA/BR haven't won a single trophy this year while EMEA has won two.
Which region sucks more? You tell me. The region where FNC isn't even carrying EMEA top4 representation over the years (including 2021 stats, this diminishes even further, with Gambit holding a 2/5, ACEND a 1/5 and FNC jumping to 3/5 since they placed second in 2021's reykjavik). Versus the region where for the last two years, NRG/OPTC are responsible for 5/6 of NA's top 4 appearances from 2022 to now.
Okay, let's use this approach.
Counting only 2023 TOP2 finishes (being generous and not using top1 because EMEA blazes with two back-to-back trophy wins)
NA: 1 (EG)
Rest of Americas: 1 (LOUD)
EMEA: 2 (FNC)
Counting TOP4 finishes:
NA: 3 (1 EG, 2 NRG)
Rest of Americas: 1 (1 LOUD)
EMEA: 3 (2 FNC, 1 NAVI)
What does this tell us? That on average, Americas teams are better than EMEA ones this year by ONE top4 appearance while also choking super hard, with three different teams in TOP4 for Americas yet no title has been won yet this year from NA. So really, NA is a 0 team region as no team has been able to challenge fnatic (EG got smoked hard in grand finals). Americas as a whole is a one team region (with LOUD at their peak slugging with FNC across five maps and choking at the final hurdle.)
But since you want to use the "NAVI is washed" argument, with LOUD crashing out of Tokyo and rumors of the roster splitting post-champs, I will assume LOUD will not be able to contest FNC this champs.
This means: AMERICAS has 0 team that can challenge fnatic as of Champs. (Do not say NRG, they got smoked. EG as well in finals, and also lost in the upper finals.) This effectively reduces them to a 0 team region, as 0 teams are contending for first place.
Allat = 0 reading comprehension. I'm from NA, and it's obvious EMEA is better. NA CSGO has accepted this fact, and it's only a matter of time b4 NA vlr does too. Why do I glaze EMEA? Bc Chronicle and Nats are my favorite players, and I think they're really handsome, humble and talented, and I support any team they're on. Also I'm objective and EMEA is clearly way better than any other region, just looking at titles.
Your region has 0 teams contending for 1st.
bro forgot the two different americas teams that fnatic have faced in both grand finals this year :skull:
& you completely missed the fuckin point. i never said americas/na is better than emea, rather that emea is a one team region. na is 9-5 against emea this year, all 5 losses are from fnatic. na is 9-0 against the rest of your dogshit ass teams. now what?
LOUD got grouped yet again and rumors have it that the team is fractured even more now with the aspas drama
NRG core is prone to choking. 5 top4 opportunities and only won once while having yay in his best player in the world form for 3 of them.
EG is either going to get hit with 2nd place curse or do well, I believe they can make a rerun at the trophy but I think FNC still clean everyone. Their level is just so much higher than any other team. Only LOUD pushed them at all in a bo5 this year. EG didn't put a dent in them.
EG has a completely mickey mouse group, and I'll only consider their playoff performance. I consider NRG = Liquid and they only have to place top 2 in their group with fucking Bilibili gaming and Zeta who has been shit since Reykjavic. LOUD is definitely not a shoe-in for playoffs given they're in the group of death, and I dont know why you as an American feel any solidarity with them bc they're from South America.
Bc of franchising, NA ppl have started to group together themselves with South America bc tbh their teams are better (LOUD >> anyone, FURIA, LEV and KRU are very good). Don't be confused, you are two very different continents and there's 0 camaraderie between you two. You only group yourselves together to seem superior against EMEA which you aren't even and this is coming from an American.
NRG > liquid, they beat them
in toyko in the only game they have ever played together. Lev and Furia flopped heavily for you to be dickriding them considering both sen and 100t have gonna back in forth with them on matches, only lev has showed something like their old form expect for the fact they don’t fucking prep well and have a good understanding of econ so they throw their own matches. Kru is respectable expect we haven’t seen this variation of the team internationally so they are a unknown for how good they are. Your favorite players from Fnc make sense but all of the others got fucked by nobodies from NA and grouped by EDG who look way better, FNC have a better skill roof as they are the best team rn, but the rest of EU are no where near them and NA and pacific have better quality constants through their groups.
Genuine question, why do people care so much if x region is better than y region? NA fans celebrating the fact that NRG narrowly beat liquid to prove that emea is a "one team region" to cope with the fact that na hasnt won anything in over a year. And why bring up a regions depth to prove your region is deeper than theirs? Sure, its true but the obsession to prove that na, or should i say americas, is a better region than emea is always so strange to me considering the fact that emea has 5 trophies while na has 2 and brazil has 1. 1. Why cheer for region and not just a team you like? 2. If you are cheering for a region, surely you would rather your region win rather then having the lower tier teams of that region beat the other lower tier teams of one of the other regions specifically.
Not many people including me are celebrating Nrgs win over liquid, i don’t even think nrg played well this tournament and need more time, but to say the are equal when so many people in the community and in this conservation value wins is unfair. Every sport has their fans routing for their own regions, it’s the whole basis of the world cup with each country fighting for a title. Emea likely always have better teams and more championship wins just because of their larger population as it covers all of europe, part of asia and africa. For me, I just saw a lot of wrong things being said that I already addressed, but also people like this tend to pick the best players (at the time) from each international win as their favorites, Nats and chronicle from gambit, Shao and sugeytsu from fpx, derek leo and alfa from fnatic just because of their star performance, yet never value them when they don’t have that stardom, like leo already being an amazing player but since gld didn’t have that win potential no one cares. the people they also bring them to light (boaster and mini for fnc, redgar being a head of his time for gambit) wins and popularity don’t make a player good. good players are not guaranteed those wins or popularity either. there are so many better ways to look at teams and players, and saying emea is just better because of wins is dumb, when there is still amazing teams and players is americas and pacific. the people that only look at the wins instead of how the player/ team actually got their thru skill, dedication, etc. don’t actually know the game that well but still feel the need to spout their uneducated opinions
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