Boaster needed a superteam to win...

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yoboikingkong

(edit: people saying fns made the optic players..... then what about kieth? the 2nd best chamber in the world, "more flexible than yay", what happened to him???, why couldnt he make him??)
(edit2: just coz boaster didnt make 2 of the 5 players, that doesnt mean his performance deserves any less credit? how fkn sad are these NA dogs, they honestly want the best core of emea in '22 "who were rebuilding" to ignore players like chronicle and leo and go for no namers underdogs again?)

to all these people

fns had a roster of
yay (best player itw),
marved (top 3 smoker itw) ,
crashies (atleast best ini NA),
victor(best flex itw) to do that optic '22 run

fns in NRG after he loses yay and marved. (marved has almost been replaced by as good of a player in form of s0m)
but fns's placement in internationals with nrg ->

1) lock in - 5-8th
2) 4th at tokyo

hmmmm....
i wonder who does this story actually match to

Boaster in '22, with a very solid roster,
had to do forced changes after masters 1 replacing brave and magnum
then got alfa

boaster placement in '22 ->
1) 4th in copenhagen
2) 5-6th in champs

boaster once he got better teammates -
1) 1st lock in
2) top 2 masters tokyo

PS: boaster and fns have literally the same stories but in different years. fns was definitely the best igl in 22, and is still very good
but people fail to give the same credit to boaster, often put all the credit of success to his strong team. his igling has been optimal, his midrounding has been perfect throughout this year.
you agree or disagree, i will not replace boaster for any other igl in the world <3.

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Yistyy

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FNS literally made those players tho...

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yoboikingkong

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boaster did too. he made the fnatic system with mini, who were always consistent and developed new metas through 3+ years.

boaster made derke and alfajer. mini scouted those two from the depths of tier 2 russian and turkish teams and boaster made them (especially derke) into the best players in the world

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chronicle was already a world champion before, leo was one of the top initiators in emea

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yoboikingkong

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fkn talk about the 3 things i am talking here?????????? i and you we all know leo and chron were established players. but can we talk about how a tier 2 sova playing in a russian team is now today the best player in the world????? or how a turkish no namer, no discipline no english, is now the best sentinel in the world?

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most established pros and coaches been knowing how good of a player leo is
i remember players and coaches talked about him even before he joined guild, and if you watched guild play and you knew valorant at a high level then ud know that leo was their best player
if anything give credit to mini for finding alfa
he was pretty unknown in emea before mini found him

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trashies already best NA initiator? Yay good upcoming duelist? Marved proved he got what it takes on FAze? and victor best flex already?

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TSM_Shreyash

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crashies was not the best NA initiator before envy, and victor was also not the best in his role in NA, I can agree with YAY but the rest were not the best in NA before the joined envy

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yoboikingkong

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?

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Marved best controller in NA when he was in FaZe (they were runners up in Masters 1). Unless you are willing to make an argument for zombs (lmfao)
Yay was literally the equivalent to Demon1
Crashies and Victor were the best rifler duo in NA history up to the point they signed for EnVy. They had dominated the early game with T1.
Crashies was also considered the best initiator in NA after sinatraa was banished. Or are you willing to make an argument for Hiko and Cutler (lmfao)
Victor was one of the top second duelists in NA (not the best in his role admittedly)

Meanwhile:
Alfajer literally unknown in Turkish tier2 team Surreal. Wasn't even considered the best player in the TR league.
Derke was in CrowCrowd! He was rejected by AndBox or GenG i think?

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boaster has improved a lot <3 from mechanical skills to IGL calls. he deserves all this

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Danny

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Look at yay without fns🤣

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Marved got dropped from faze bruh 😭😭😭. FNS made those players. Boaster got gifted his. Massive difference

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TipTop

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who made derke? Crow crowd?

Alfajer? surreal?

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yoboikingkong

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yup these same people will fail to realise how much harder it is to replicate what boaster has done with multiple different people.
even outside of derke and alfa. these many roster changes, yet still making almost every single lan.

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yoboikingkong

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gifted derke ? the same people who were laughing at him once he was diffed by tenz in just the finals of masters 2 or we talking about the gifted alfa, who had no discipline in his gameplay? boaster was successful with multiple different people, while fns had to work with a really talented 5 throughout his career until nrg. where he got players similarly experienced to leo and chron

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I’m talking about this years roster. I understand he did a good job w derke and Alfa but they’d be nowhere wout Leo and chronicle

You can claim fns was gifted yay but he still surpassed his expectations massively

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yoboikingkong

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just coz he didnt make 2 of the 5 players, that doesnt mean his performance deserves any less credit? how fkn sad are these NA dogs, they honestly want the best core of emea who were rebuilding to ignore players like chronicle and leo and go for no namers again?

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How hard is it to discipline a already really good player (Alfa)
This team deserves credit for being good. I’m not one of those super team copers. My point is Boaster does not deserve as much praise as 2022 FNS bc they simply aren’t in the same league of accomplishment. Yes this team is the best itw and will prob be for a while. How much of that is bc of boaster? Definitely not as much as you claim

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yoboikingkong

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if it was that easy, entire emea league would've been filled with turkish imports. and alfa had more problems than just discipline. he didnt know english, and was 16. kids at 16 dont know things like work ethic and punctuality
ok, your opinion. much more valid than what some other optic copers are typing in this thread

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https://imgur.com/a/xiiIbEM

🥲

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no way you say alfa is disciplined, even the man admits he has the turkish blood in him and wants to overpeek but boaster prevents him from doing so, boaster makes the strats, antri stratting along side mini and his midrounding has improved a lot, if he can get a team with mistic and enzo to top 4 copenhagen and 5-6 in champs (fucking chokes) he deserves credit, yes he has a world class team now, you could have all the best players in your team but if you fail to manage them and utilize them to their best then what actually is the team's value even with such great players

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yoboikingkong

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so did BabyJ ! that doesnt mean he is not the GOAT of valorant anymore!!!!

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FNS stuck with his team mates for so long and only dropped them due to reasons outside his control. Boaster dropped mistic, Magnum and Enzo in an instant. Mistic was with fnatic and boaster since the beginning and got dropped even after carrying the team in champs 22.

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yoboikingkong

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coz chronicle was available.

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U did not watch a single NA match before and during the formation of NV/Optic roster if u think any one of those players were superstars. Marved was probably the only one even remotely close to having a name before joining, but even he was a Faze bench player that joined FNS team on a loan. I would hardly even call hi

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Without Boaster, there wouldnt be enough cohesion in Fnatic for Derke and Leo to make a perfect sieze nade combo retake on the fly. Nor would chronicle and leo have perfect peeks to trade each other. NAVI literally has players like Shao, suygetsu and cNed, why cannot they make plays like the boys at Fnatic? Liquid has sayf, nAts, jampii and still not even close to the way fnatic play the game. Boaster definitely knows how to perfect his team for setplays.

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yoboikingkong

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and talk about NA itself. they had dephh, with zekken tenz pancada sacy. they have the same amount of firepower as any team ever made in valorant. but they never had a bit of success.

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BoF7ooM

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well the dephh roster was tragically shit, because dephh , sykko and kaplan didnt bring immediate results to the most clouted team in valorant. Who knows, I mean even teams like Liquid had a terrible start, FPX in 2022 was about to lose to NAVI in CIS qualifiers for emea, PRX lost LCQ 2021 with the masters grand finalist roster lmao. Its just dogshit mentality from SEN fans and their reactive management as immediate success wont bring them the clout.

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mrGoudas

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Are all 100t fans based like this?

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BoF7ooM

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Yes, as a long time American 100T fan, I am not biased and know how shit my region is. Like Fnatic literally still owns us, and obviously we are soon about to get owned by rest of the EMEA teams in champions just like we did every single tournament.

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🤣

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Tbf you did beat fnatic the 1st time you played them at champions 2022 and pulled an insane comback verses gambit as well

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Bonkbonk201

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sliggy said and i quote "coaches are hard to guage, i think a good coach is a coach who can take 2 completely different teams and make both amazing" (like MCE with guard and c9 for example) and i wholeheartedly agree, it's easy to make amazing players good, i would argue it's the same with onur, he took 2 pretty average teams (Kru and Leviatan) and made them very very close to top tier teams, imo that is what makes a "good coach"

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Mini is the goat in my opinion no one has consistently affected the meta for as long and as much a him plus he managed to do what a lot of people considered impossible get a team full of star players and make them work together very quickly and to a ridiculously high level
He us the goat of valorant coaches imo even potter said that a lot of inspirations for eg’s playstyle comes from fnatic mini is the goat of coaches in valorant

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Bonkbonk201

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i mean it's easy to adjust to a new meta given u have 5 world class players, it's easy to create new strats which other teams cannot run, especially with agents others don't run purely because your players win aim duels, it's not difficult to do that imo

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something which is difficult is going into a completely new team and saying bye to "the best player itw" at the time because u make the realisation that he isn't meshing with the team well, or because of money issues, or because of whatever reason u wanna make up in your head, and he still made it work, that takes real talent imo

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fns had to develop these players way more than boaster ever did. thats not me taking away from what boaster did, him and mini still had to do a lot of work to make the team work but you have to give more context.

alfajer was absolutely dumpstering teams in turkey before he joined fnatic
leo was always a top initiator in EMEA
chronicle is a masters champion and the 1st/2nd best player on gambit (between him and nats)

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crashies and victor were on t1 not even playing the roles they were today (t1 was also extremely mid)
marved was benched and was quite mid on faze
yay was the only obvious pickup because of his potential

he def didnt make ardiis but ardiis is arguably the 4th best player on nrg and the one who needs to step up the most...

fnatic r obviously better, theres no denying that. but the talent boaster could choose from was a lot better than fns