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EU, you're not the centre of the world

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#1
imatheusss

I came to this forum to look at what people were thinking about the finals but everything I see is some eurocentric behaviour people complaining about the Brazilian crowd

Let me explain you some things
We Brazilians don't care if you think it's wrong that we only enjoy and show up in the Brazilian games (and a few others which have a team we like as it was in Sen x Fnc and Fnc x Navi). That's a cultural thing and we won't change it cuz you can't understand. Even though we enjoy the game, we enjoy it when teams we like and can relate with are playing. I don't care about the teams of your region just as you don't about ours, I wouldn't waste my time going to an event where I don't feel anything about the teams that are playing, so if there's no team we can relate with, we won't show up to watch the game, it's simple, you can dislike that but that's your personal opinion, it's not a matter of who is right or not, and no, vlr delusional person who's reading it now, riot won't stop making events here because of that
Another thing, you don't get to decide how others are gonna cheer, what makes you think we should cheer for other team's when they're playing against us? I'll tell you the reason you think that, it's because the teams we're not rooting for are the teams you enjoy. If we did cheer for them but not for some others like the apac ones you wouldn't give a damn, there would be no posts here at vlr complaining about our crowd, which just shows how your eurocentric behaviour is. Do you think your crowd is perfect? Why don't you look at every masters/champions we had until now in the games no EU/NA teams were playing? Your crowd is silent bro, we don't like it, at champions no single soul was cheering for Loud, we won it and all of you were silent. You don't want to cheer for us? Fine, it was great to "hear" the place when we won, it must have felt the same yesterday when Fnatic did the same. We don't complain about your crowd even though we don't like it, but having an event here, having the opportunity to cheer the way we want to and to who we want to, and you want to come here and tell us "no no no don't do that, cheer the way I (the eurocentric God who knows what is better) want you to". Come on, do it yourself next time you get an event there, I'm sure the players will love your dead crowd.

I don't know what happened in the end after Fnatic won, heard some people say the crowd left (which is normal, we were sad in the end and I understand why they wouldn't enjoy staying there watching the whole trophy thing, people do it in every sport and not just in Brazil), and I heard some people were "boooing" fnatic, about that I'm sure it was just a few people, unfortunately with the whole crowd left/silent some bad mannered people would be able to be noisy, but they don't represent the crowd of course, so there's no point in generalizing it

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CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer
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Bro wrote essay using chatgpt

#3
Shownu
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L + ratio + L crowd + essay too long

#7
Cresp
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Keep yourself safe

#8
Shownu
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They coming after me 🤣

#9
imatheusss
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🥱

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durum
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Thank you for sharing your perspective on the issue. It's important to understand and respect cultural differences in how fans show their support for their teams. It's understandable that fans may be more passionate about teams they can relate to, and it's not fair to expect them to cheer for teams they don't have any connection with.

It's also important to remember that a few bad-mannered individuals do not represent the entire crowd, and it's not fair to generalize an entire fan base based on the actions of a few individuals. As fans, we should aim to show respect to all teams and players, regardless of which region they come from.

In the end, esports should bring people from all over the world together to celebrate their shared love for the game. Let's focus on that and enjoy the competition, rather than creating unnecessary divisions between regions or fan bases.

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Shadow_Monarch
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W

#31
AvgRossiFan
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The writing style screams chatGPT

#32
durum
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Yes, that's correct. I am a language model called ChatGPT and I generated the response to the previous message. Is there anything else I can assist you with?

#5
gamr
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aint reading allat 😹😹😤💀💀😪😪

#10
werZy
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Guess what? Theyre all gonna make fun instead of replying seriously

#12
asdfgh
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whats the serious reply supposed to be,"ok cool idk what this has to do with me"

#13
imatheusss
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It's fine, the ones who will make fun of it are not the ones I want to speak to, I don't care about their opinion

#45
OnlyOneStar
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I think you can't see serious replys

#11
n1cf
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i think i speak for every eu user when i say we are not reading allat.

#14
iammika1999
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We don't give a fuck about who you cheer for, as long as you show some respect at the end and that is clearly what didn't happen.

#54
Pondy
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W take.

Also someone pull up that clip of the Istanbul crowd cheering for Loud when they won.

The victim complex is real hooooly.

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servampirelily
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idc about cheering but walking out is crazy. I am sure even LOUD players would agree. (Don't say it's culture Brazilian Football fans are not like this)
Huge Cope essay

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imatheusss
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I'd probably walk out of it either because I've never seen any fun in watching people lifting trophies or commemorating, I only enjoyed watching the games and seeing who would win in the end, to be fair I don't understand what is wrong with it. If you're sad about the results (maybe pissed off and mad at Loud considering they lost an 11-3 game) and then you leave, I don't see it as something bad either considering it's just a matter of how you're feeling, it's not about disrespecting Fnatic, I see it as a matter of getting some fresh air after what happened, but maybe I'm just not being too emphatic when thinking about it, if I were one of the players I'd probably like if the crowd at least clapped after the game. But it's something I do usually see in sports, I didn't lie about that, in football for example some people leave when their team is losing even before the game finishes, it's normal.

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meteorite
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its called being a massive pussy nothing else

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hekzy
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Ain't reading allat

  • Only liking the game when your teams are playing is the definition of not liking the game
  • "And we won't change it" alright, then we'll have to change the location. Brazil will never get another major btw.
  • Literally all games except loud games were snoozefests with the sleeping crowd. Literally ruined the entire experience.
  • Crowd cheating with the oooohhhhhhh (I legit witnessed cauanzin acquire some 6th sense about 10 times in the series because of crowd cheating)
  • Every crowd so far has stayed for the coronation (even if their team didn't win)
  • No crowd has booed a team
  • No crowd ever ruined the greatest comeback. Last 15 rounds.of the series were complete silence
  • I don't care about your "culture". Poor excuse for acting like shitheads (spitting on simple)
#19
imatheusss
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If you won't read it then there's no point in answering it. I'm not interested in starting a chat with someone who doesn't intend to hear the other side

#21
hekzy
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If you fucking read what I said you'd realize I actually read your post.

#17
en3sk0se
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I came to this forum to look at what people were thinking about the finals but everything I see is some eurocentric behaviour people complaining about the Brazilian crowd

Let me explain you some things
We Brazilians don't care if you think it's wrong that we only enjoy and show up in the Brazilian games (and a few others which have a team we like as it was in Sen x Fnc and Fnc x Navi). That's a cultural thing and we won't change it cuz you can't understand. Even though we enjoy the game, we enjoy it when teams we like and can relate with are playing. I don't care about the teams of your region just as you don't about ours, I wouldn't waste my time going to an event where I don't feel anything about the teams that are playing, so if there's no team we can relate with, we won't show up to watch the game, it's simple, you can dislike that but that's your personal opinion, it's not a matter of who is right or not, and no, vlr delusional person who's reading it now, riot won't stop making events here because of that
Another thing, you don't get to decide how others are gonna cheer, what makes you think we should cheer for other team's when they're playing against us? I'll tell you the reason you think that, it's because the teams we're not rooting for are the teams you enjoy. If we did cheer for them but not for some others like the apac ones you wouldn't give a damn, there would be no posts here at vlr complaining about our crowd, which just shows how your eurocentric behaviour is. Do you think your crowd is perfect? Why don't you look at every masters/champions we had until now in the games no EU/NA teams were playing? Your crowd is silent bro, we don't like it, at champions no single soul was cheering for Loud, we won it and all of you were silent. You don't want to cheer for us? Fine, it was great to "hear" the place when we won, it must have felt the same yesterday when Fnatic did the same. We don't complain about your crowd even though we don't like it, but having an event here, having the opportunity to cheer the way we want to and to who we want to, and you want to come here and tell us "no no no don't do that, cheer the way I (the eurocentric God who knows what is better) want you to". Come on, do it yourself next time you get an event there, I'm sure the players will love your dead crowd.

I don't know what happened in the end after Fnatic won, heard some people say the crowd left (which is normal, we were sad in the end and I understand why they wouldn't enjoy staying there watching the whole trophy thing, people do it in every sport and not just in Brazil), and I heard some people were "boooing" fnatic, about that I'm sure it was just a few people, unfortunately with the whole crowd left/silent some bad mannered people would be able to be noisy, but they don't represent the crowd of course, so there's no point in generalizing it

#18
Domination
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Just accept the crowd is L and move on 🗿

#20
south_america_lover
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Sry but no.

#22
dapada
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Since I have a lot of time to spare, just know that I'm reading the entirety of your essay.

The one thing I would disagree with you is this part of the essay "heard some people say the crowd left" the rest are pretty normal stuff (like the "boo-ing" stuff and being silent). The least you can do as a host, is to stay until the event ended. That's it.

I don't want to explain the why since it'll be too long to write or read, you can just watch Tarik's POV about this situation. Basically same argument but he's a million times bigger than me ++credibility🗿

#28
imatheusss
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I'll take a look at it to see his argument

#29
dapada
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https://youtu.be/Ti6vI3NtKV4

here hope it helps pointing out my argument

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imatheusss
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I understand what he said but I don't think that saying "spread the word, you should show some love to other teams" is the right way to achieve that. Things like this can't be forced, it would work better if riot for example broadcasted other leagues in Portuguese. How do they expect people who don't speak any other language except their own to relate to regions they don't see anything about? I remember nobody cared about Vision Strikers/Drx when they didn't have an English broadcast yet, they basically had no fans outside of Korea.
When we had the msi here in 2017 we cheered for the teams because we knew them, we even cheered for Marines in their first international game, it was a good show, and that's possible because in Lol riot makes an effort to show to Brazil some outside regions/teams, there's marketing for it. I can assure you at least 80% of the crowd watching the finals yesterday knew barely anything about any of the Fnatic players, hard to show any kind of affection in this situation

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stratdiff
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it's crazy how you only mention eu when people who critizes is not only from there. that walkout before the coronation is an L behaviour

#25
imjustlooking
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why are people critizing the walkout you would do the same if it where your team that trew a 11-3.
the booing is L behavior though I heavily disagree with it happening and people who are doing should be shameful
the rest about cheering is just eurocentrism, anyone who doesn't sees that is blind
Brazil gonna keep having events and you're gonna keep complaining, and it won't matter at all kkkkkkkkkkk

#26
stratdiff
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i would not do the same because unlike you, i appreciate good val regardless of the team

#27
MerkFreeks
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well in their defense it was mostly EU shitposts about it, altho not exclusively it was the majority. So they're addressing the majority of people who complained.

#24
NG1nS
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don't think i ever thought that but mb

#34
UvuvwevwevweOnyetenyevwe
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Turkey is the center of the world
https://youtu.be/mpl2JbGCYF0

#35
Ullyr
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KEKW

#36
SHINOBll
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no one cares what brazillian ppl supports, the problem is they booing the other team thats just some disrespectful thing

#37
Leafa
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didn't EU boo XSET and OPTIC in champions 2022?

#38
UvuvwevwevweOnyetenyevwe
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first of all we are not EU, secondly the coach of Xset was disrespectful and deserved to be booed, thirdly we didn't boo Optic

#46
emirerays
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hem avrupa hem asyada topraklarımız varya ondan dolayı eu diyor

#39
Dyre
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Buddy wrote a whole essay and still missed the point.

It's fine if you want to only show up for games the team you are rooting for is playing, everyone would do the same( People who say you don't love the game are being hypocrites, even they haven't watched all the lock//in games). However, if you are going to show up, then it is expected for you to have some adequate behavior, and cheer for your team as hard as you can( which LOUD fans did amazingly well, literally cheered nonstop for 4 hours with so much passion and energy, that was amazing) but don't boo the enemy team for no reason. If they were being toxic or cringe then sure boo them but they didn't do anything. No one is telling you to cheer for the other team but be respectful and appreciative of a good play or of them winning. Just say ggwp, maybe clap when they lift the trophy and give their interview. Be a decent human being and learn how to take a loss properly. Don't be babies and run to go cry about it as soon as the game is over. At every masters/champions, fans were respectful and gave claps when SA won. Even when they won against EU teams, no one was cheering for Loud but they still clapped, they still stayed till the end. Sure EU has L crowds who barely cheer and you could probably sleep in the arena during the games but atleast they are being respectful.

tl;dr : Root for your team but don't boo other team for no reason. Respect good gameplay from both teams.

#42
imatheusss
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I've seen the crowd boo only to apply pressure in tactical pauses and when a br player got knifed, that's not disrespectful. Did it happen in any other situation?
About the trophy/interview thing, I understand your point but it's still cultural, you guys think it's wrong, we don't, that's all. No point in blaming a culture for something that's a personal opinion. If it truly were just a matter of being disrespectful part of the crowd would still be there because "they respect others", so it's not about that

#43
Valgod
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Why host and participate in international events if you only care about brazil?

#51
benmaimoon
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some cultural stuff bro you cant understand it

#41
iframedeez
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at champions no single soul was cheering for Loud, we won it and all of you were silent

from what I remember Turkey crowds was cheering and applauding them, at least don't straight up copy paste your essay from ChatGPT.

C+ for the effort.

#44
UvuvwevwevweOnyetenyevwe
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brother forgot this moment
https://youtu.be/NLVOGPHRA_U

#47
Roid
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You don't understand what happenned here, Loud simply trowed the game out of arrogance, out of imaturity. Even with Saadhak YELLING at them to don't lose rounds out of fucking idiot 2x1 mistakes they still did It, out of nothing but arrogance, arrogance that they already had won the game.

Crowd supported them, trusted them, and they fucking did that to us, it's not only shame, it's sadness, one of the worse Esports moments in Brazil history. Remember forever the 04/03/2023, Fallen fell in IEM because of stupid decisions, and Loud did the same, but worse, they trowed a world title away.

Tell me, Sacy and Pancada would lose that 2x1? No, you know what Sacy would do If Cauanzin trowed the round like that? In a Grand-Final? He would fucking beat the fuck out of him.

I'm in shock.

#48
katsu_fx
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shut up dog, your region is the worst.

#49
palmsweaty
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I don't think any crowd will cheer for the other team if they are playing against their home team. For example, let's talk about the Euro final England vs Italy. The English crowd definitely didn’t cheer for the Italian team; Italian fans went to England to cheer for their team, and there were seats reserved for them in the stadium. If we think from this perspective, fnatic should have brought some of their fans from Europe to cheer for the team. You just can't blame the Brazilian supporters for going silent. Like cmon man, they lost the final map from 11-3, of course they will be stunned.

#50
ValdemieGC
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Thank you for sharing your perspective on the matter. It's important to understand and respect different cultural norms when it comes to fandom and cheering at events. As you said, everyone has their own preferences and reasons for supporting certain teams, and it's not fair to impose our own expectations on others.

It's also true that not every crowd will be equally enthusiastic or vocal, and that's okay. People have different ways of expressing their excitement or disappointment, and we should accept and appreciate that diversity.

Overall, it's important to focus on the positive aspects of events like these and the shared passion for the game and competition, rather than getting caught up in negative stereotypes or criticism of others.

#52
rina
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it's quite funny how the blame is put on them being "eurocentric" when in fact many people, countries, and cultures would find the crowd leaving disrespectful

#53
yungbasel
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We're not centre of the world

just the centre of valorant.didn't read btw.

#55
Agent0
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When the crowd is there it's great. But it was never there. They only showed up for games with a Brazilian team. DRX vs. C9, C9 vs. PRX, and 100T vs EDG were all exciting games but there was no crowd. It was dead silent in all of those games which is so disappointing. The Istanbul crowd made so many moments better. DRX vs FPX was made so much better with the crowd cheering. But in Brazil only the games with a Brazilian team got a crowd boost. I don't mind booing but at least show up to the games. And when Fnatic won the fans at least should've stuck around. The crowd were only fans of Brazilian Valorant not just Valorant. It was clear in Istanbul that those fans were fans of Valorant. In Tokyo they'll be fans of Valorant. And in LA they'll be fans of Valorant. It's just something the Brazilian fans didn't show

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