Is Leo top 5 in the world right now?

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Yessirskiiii

He's gotta be close atleast no?

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soraol

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he is

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GENZAMAN1235

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Top10 100% top 5 soon

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Mortadelo

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Depends if you consider this tournament enough to rate a player that high. But of this tournament most likely yes

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catmeister

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he is

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Gutssz

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nope
but he is top10 for sure

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Jeffo

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We can't put a player in top 5 because he played 3 good games against 100T, Furia and Sentinels.
Especially when this guy wasn't even in the discussion before, if he destroys NAVI and plays good in the grand finals he surely will be, but for now 3 games are not nearly enough.

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Zayol

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You have never seen Leo play in EMEA before lmao if you think that Leo is not at least top 3 initiator in the world.

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top 3 initiator itw is clear btw
Shao Leo Crashies

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grenji

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stax has died ig

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Gutssz

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do you really think stax is better than these 3 players xd

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better than Leo for sure

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Gutssz

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💀💀

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soraol

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🐒

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grenji

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absolutely

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Jeffo

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Yeah, people forgot about stax because Leo has good stats in EMEA qualifiers, while he has only qualified to one international event in his career and didn't even perform that good in it.

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People forget about stax because the strength of stax is that he also IGL's. But if we're talking about pure initiator and just individual performance stax is not even top 5 simply because it's too hard to do so while IGLing

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Are you talking about top 3 initiator or top 3 Fraggers ?
Stax util is absolutely insane, his KAST and APR are not even close to Leo, yes ofc Leo is a better fragger but so are most of the initiators in the world because stax is igling, but are they better initiators than stax? Hell no, and Leo isn't either.

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Mortadelo

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I'm talking about both, I don't care how good your shock darts are if they peek you with 10hp and kill you

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Jeffo

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Then you're not talking about initiator bro, top 3 initiators include Stax and not Leo.

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Mortadelo

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No it doesn't

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wizardbot

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Youve not seen leo's shockdarts then lol. Go watch M3C vs Guild once

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Jeffo

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Are you seriously comparing any util to DRX, just watch any game of DRX and you'll see Stax do things Leo wouldn't even imagine

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wizardbot

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Told you

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Itsover

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Chronicle clears crashies, cloud clears crashies as well.

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Itsover

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Also forgot about mwzera, compared to mwzera crashies is like a plat player at best

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Jeffo

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I've been following Guild and EMEA qualifiers since 2021, but no, a player who has only been to one international even where he didn't even get a good placement, wasn't even the best player on Guild is not a top 5 players in the world, nor a top 3 initiator.

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wizardbot

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https://www.vlr.gg/112282/optic-gaming-vs-guild-esports-valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-copenhagen-opening-a

https://www.vlr.gg/112284/guild-esports-vs-kr-esports-valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-copenhagen-winners-a

What is this wild revisionism. It was a tossup bw leo and sayf for guild's best player but leo used to have nearly the same impact as sayf if not better despite being an initiator while sayf was a duelist

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Jeffo

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Good group stage games, 166 ACS vs PRX, 155 ACS against FPX in the playoffs to go home, meanwhile optic goes to top 3 afterwards.

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w

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Congo1

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He was fantastic in the past already. Now he has an elite team to shine on.

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babysasuke

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EMEA fans when Fnatic makes playoffs 💀

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Shownu

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Keywords: "make playoffs" 💀💀💀

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babysasuke

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They made playoffs in a single elim tournament

Therefore Leo and Derke are top 5 in the world

Even though they've never won anything and consistently placed low in all International events

Truly braindead rationale.

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Shownu

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NA also played the same tournament, your crybaby cheese don't work anymore lil bro😂 keep piggybacking Brazil and root for "Americas" bozo.

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babysasuke

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what is blud waffling about

Every time Fnatic wins a series, internationally or domestically, 90% of Europe starts making cringe baseless tier lists and putting these bot chokers in talks for best in the world. So Boaster is top 5 IGL itw? Alfajer and Derke top 5 in their roles? now Leo? Win something then instead of flying through a free bracket and getting swept by Navi

exposed for a shitty point so you change the argument entirely

I wish for one day I could experience what its like to be so absolutely fucking braindead, must be so peaceful

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Shownu

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Not need to experience it. You are a model for degeneracy in the forums. All I'm saying is if your garbage teams were good enough they'd be in the top 4 but sadly for you, we own them.

CryBabysasuke

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🐕🗣️

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Shownu

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Listen I am serving customers and owning you in the comments, enough said.

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babysasuke

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What are you serving them?

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Shownu

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Serving them hot chocolate and you, hot Ls.

continue thread →

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Chronicle owns you sadly

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alexxx

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chronicle owns you buddy

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hekzy

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There should be a clown flair for people with 9k comments and 0 stars.

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babysasuke

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There is, youre using it though

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number1_MIBR_hater

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he's having a really good lock//in but i think it is still soon to rank "new" players

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BigAbdi

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Maybe if he plays really well against this NAVI then 💯 he is in the top 5 in the world

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Subreezy

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Leo has been insanely good since guild, he just got dragged down by 2 bots on his team

if fnatic wins lock in i think he's top 5 itw. i don't think it's a coincidence he gets better teammates and all of a sudden starts popping off on T1 talent

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Renvas

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100 procent Leo is top 5 people shouldnt even have to argue about it

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UvuvwevwevweOnyetenyevwe

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probably won't even make it to the final

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Neonfreak

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He's not Top 5 wtf he's very good, probably Top 10.

Top 5:
1) Shao
2) saadhak (IGL buff)
3) yay
4) Mako
5) SUYGETSU

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Renvas

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https://www.vlr.gg/stats/?event_group_id=all&event_id=1188&series_id=all&region=all&country=all&min_rounds=1&min_rating=1550&agent=all&map_id=all&timespan=60d

but hes always consistent putting out and always a guy to trust to hold down a site?

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Jeffo

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Who snuck saadhak in?
Aspas and Less are the best players in Loud.
Kingg is better than Saadhak as far as fragging IGLs go.
The rest is pretty reasonable.

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Neonfreak

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You are underrating his IGL calling and his fragging. Kingg is.a better fragger but saadhak is a way better caller and has been proven over multiple tournaments. Maybe he shouldn't be 2 but IMO he is the most valuable player on Loud. Vlr continues to underrate IGLS when there is a shortage rn in the pro scene

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shao
aspas
mako
derke
leo
chronicle
suygetsu
kiNgg
cned
zyppan

at the moment id say

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Renvas

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Id agree with this one if you changed 2 3 4 and 5
1 Shao
2 Derke
3 Aspas
4 Leo
5 Mako

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Dokka

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He’s not too 5 intw YET

Top 10 for sure

Top 2 Initiator

If fnatic win the tournament top 5 is very well in the conversation

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I said he was top 10 in the world before the tournament started. I would be very comfortable putting him in the top 5 right now. I also tend to value consistency over peak performance, and he is one of the most consistent elite players in the world without a doubt.

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EnzoLS12

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behind mwzera

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ValdemieGC

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yes

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joellogic

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right now?

In the top 10 FOR SURE.

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Yessirskiiii

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Confirmed top 5

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LouBag

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Best in slot