He's gotta be close atleast no?
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Is Leo top 5 in the world right now?
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Jeffo [#7]We can't put a player in top 5 because he played 3 good games against 100T, Furia and Sentinels.
Especially when this guy wasn't even in the discussion before, if he destroys NAVI and plays good in the grand finals he surely will be, but for now 3 games are not nearly enough.
You have never seen Leo play in EMEA before lmao if you think that Leo is not at least top 3 initiator in the world.
Zayol [#9]You have never seen Leo play in EMEA before lmao if you think that Leo is not at least top 3 initiator in the world.
top 3 initiator itw is clear btw
Shao Leo Crashies
Zayol [#9]You have never seen Leo play in EMEA before lmao if you think that Leo is not at least top 3 initiator in the world.
I've been following Guild and EMEA qualifiers since 2021, but no, a player who has only been to one international even where he didn't even get a good placement, wasn't even the best player on Guild is not a top 5 players in the world, nor a top 3 initiator.
grenji [#13]stax has died ig
Yeah, people forgot about stax because Leo has good stats in EMEA qualifiers, while he has only qualified to one international event in his career and didn't even perform that good in it.
Shownu [#14]Keywords: "make playoffs" 💀💀💀
They made playoffs in a single elim tournament
Therefore Leo and Derke are top 5 in the world
Even though they've never won anything and consistently placed low in all International events
Truly braindead rationale.
Jeffo [#19]Yeah, people forgot about stax because Leo has good stats in EMEA qualifiers, while he has only qualified to one international event in his career and didn't even perform that good in it.
People forget about stax because the strength of stax is that he also IGL's. But if we're talking about pure initiator and just individual performance stax is not even top 5 simply because it's too hard to do so while IGLing
Mortadelo [#21]People forget about stax because the strength of stax is that he also IGL's. But if we're talking about pure initiator and just individual performance stax is not even top 5 simply because it's too hard to do so while IGLing
Are you talking about top 3 initiator or top 3 Fraggers ?
Stax util is absolutely insane, his KAST and APR are not even close to Leo, yes ofc Leo is a better fragger but so are most of the initiators in the world because stax is igling, but are they better initiators than stax? Hell no, and Leo isn't either.
Jeffo [#26]Are you talking about top 3 initiator or top 3 Fraggers ?
Stax util is absolutely insane, his KAST and APR are not even close to Leo, yes ofc Leo is a better fragger but so are most of the initiators in the world because stax is igling, but are they better initiators than stax? Hell no, and Leo isn't either.
I'm talking about both, I don't care how good your shock darts are if they peek you with 10hp and kill you
Mortadelo [#27]I'm talking about both, I don't care how good your shock darts are if they peek you with 10hp and kill you
Then you're not talking about initiator bro, top 3 initiators include Stax and not Leo.
Jeffo [#28]Then you're not talking about initiator bro, top 3 initiators include Stax and not Leo.
No it doesn't
Mortadelo [#29]No it doesn't
Let's talk about this when Leo has qualified for more than a single event, for now there isn't really a discussion.
babysasuke [#20]They made playoffs in a single elim tournament
Therefore Leo and Derke are top 5 in the world
Even though they've never won anything and consistently placed low in all International events
Truly braindead rationale.
NA also played the same tournament, your crybaby cheese don't work anymore lil bro😂 keep piggybacking Brazil and root for "Americas" bozo.
Jeffo [#30]Let's talk about this when Leo has qualified for more than a single event, for now there isn't really a discussion.
Alright, crow has also qualified for more events than Leo so he is def a better player than him
Shownu [#31]NA also played the same tournament, your crybaby cheese don't work anymore lil bro😂 keep piggybacking Brazil and root for "Americas" bozo.
what is blud waffling about
Every time Fnatic wins a series, internationally or domestically, 90% of Europe starts making cringe baseless tier lists and putting these bot chokers in talks for best in the world. So Boaster is top 5 IGL itw? Alfajer and Derke top 5 in their roles? now Leo? Win something then instead of flying through a free bracket and getting swept by Navi
exposed for a shitty point so you change the argument entirely
I wish for one day I could experience what its like to be so absolutely fucking braindead, must be so peaceful
babysasuke [#34]what is blud waffling about
Every time Fnatic wins a series, internationally or domestically, 90% of Europe starts making cringe baseless tier lists and putting these bot chokers in talks for best in the world. So Boaster is top 5 IGL itw? Alfajer and Derke top 5 in their roles? now Leo? Win something then instead of flying through a free bracket and getting swept by Navi
exposed for a shitty point so you change the argument entirely
I wish for one day I could experience what its like to be so absolutely fucking braindead, must be so peaceful
Not need to experience it. You are a model for degeneracy in the forums. All I'm saying is if your garbage teams were good enough they'd be in the top 4 but sadly for you, we own them.
CryBabysasuke
Shownu [#36]Not need to experience it. You are a model for degeneracy in the forums. All I'm saying is if your garbage teams were good enough they'd be in the top 4 but sadly for you, we own them.
CryBabysasuke
🐕🗣️
Mortadelo [#32]Alright, crow has also qualified for more events than Leo so he is def a better player than him
Yes he is
Shownu [#42]Listen I am serving customers and owning you in the comments, enough said.
What are you serving them?
Jeffo [#7]We can't put a player in top 5 because he played 3 good games against 100T, Furia and Sentinels.
Especially when this guy wasn't even in the discussion before, if he destroys NAVI and plays good in the grand finals he surely will be, but for now 3 games are not nearly enough.
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Neonfreak [#38]He's not Top 5 wtf he's very good, probably Top 10.
Top 5:
1) Shao
2) saadhak (IGL buff)
3) yay
4) Mako
5) SUYGETSU
but hes always consistent putting out and always a guy to trust to hold down a site?
Rode_233 [#39]
- shao
- aspas
- mako
- derke
- leo
- chronicle
- suygetsu
- kiNgg
- cned
- zyppan
at the moment id say
Id agree with this one if you changed 2 3 4 and 5
1 Shao
2 Derke
3 Aspas
4 Leo
5 Mako
Jeffo [#26]Are you talking about top 3 initiator or top 3 Fraggers ?
Stax util is absolutely insane, his KAST and APR are not even close to Leo, yes ofc Leo is a better fragger but so are most of the initiators in the world because stax is igling, but are they better initiators than stax? Hell no, and Leo isn't either.
Youve not seen leo's shockdarts then lol. Go watch M3C vs Guild once
Jeffo [#12]I've been following Guild and EMEA qualifiers since 2021, but no, a player who has only been to one international even where he didn't even get a good placement, wasn't even the best player on Guild is not a top 5 players in the world, nor a top 3 initiator.
What is this wild revisionism. It was a tossup bw leo and sayf for guild's best player but leo used to have nearly the same impact as sayf if not better despite being an initiator while sayf was a duelist
Neonfreak [#38]He's not Top 5 wtf he's very good, probably Top 10.
Top 5:
1) Shao
2) saadhak (IGL buff)
3) yay
4) Mako
5) SUYGETSU
Who snuck saadhak in?
Aspas and Less are the best players in Loud.
Kingg is better than Saadhak as far as fragging IGLs go.
The rest is pretty reasonable.
wizardbot [#50]What is this wild revisionism. It was a tossup bw leo and sayf for guild's best player but leo used to have nearly the same impact as sayf if not better despite being an initiator while sayf was a duelist
Good group stage games, 166 ACS vs PRX, 155 ACS against FPX in the playoffs to go home, meanwhile optic goes to top 3 afterwards.
babysasuke [#11]EMEA fans when Fnatic makes playoffs 💀
There should be a clown flair for people with 9k comments and 0 stars.
hekzy [#54]There should be a clown flair for people with 9k comments and 0 stars.
There is, youre using it though
wizardbot [#49]Youve not seen leo's shockdarts then lol. Go watch M3C vs Guild once
Are you seriously comparing any util to DRX, just watch any game of DRX and you'll see Stax do things Leo wouldn't even imagine
Jeffo [#30]Let's talk about this when Leo has qualified for more than a single event, for now there isn't really a discussion.
His team held him back, he cant solo teams bro and if you really think crow is a better player than leo, you must be high or something. Crow is absolutely a good player but Leo is much more better
Jeffo [#51]Who snuck saadhak in?
Aspas and Less are the best players in Loud.
Kingg is better than Saadhak as far as fragging IGLs go.
The rest is pretty reasonable.
You are underrating his IGL calling and his fragging. Kingg is.a better fragger but saadhak is a way better caller and has been proven over multiple tournaments. Maybe he shouldn't be 2 but IMO he is the most valuable player on Loud. Vlr continues to underrate IGLS when there is a shortage rn in the pro scene
Gutssz [#10]top 3 initiator itw is clear btw
Shao Leo Crashies
Chronicle clears crashies, cloud clears crashies as well.
Gutssz [#10]top 3 initiator itw is clear btw
Shao Leo Crashies
Also forgot about mwzera, compared to mwzera crashies is like a plat player at best
Jeffo [#56]Are you seriously comparing any util to DRX, just watch any game of DRX and you'll see Stax do things Leo wouldn't even imagine
Told you
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