Fair but those players are good domestically and when you have teams like SEN and NRG who have players who've been to International LAN and have proven that they're the best and compete against the best then I just don’t see why C9 is currently above them in most rankings and even above LOUD and PRX in some cases because of one player when the C9 core hasn’t actually achieved much this year
and true most rosters are going to be overrated but overrating Fnatic and Sentinels for example makes sense because with the players they have they should be title contenders next year whereas C9 has the potential but on paper isn’t that close
Vanity took two V1 and C9 to Masters and Champs respectively
Zellsis was on Lan in Reykjavik
With Vanity, Xeppaa, and Leaf, C9 was the only NA team to make Champs playoffs in 2021
Yay is yay
One player can drastically change a team. When Envy got yay before Berlin they made the Lan and finals
When C9 dropped Xeta and, sorry to say fell off
Two cracked players can drastically change a team and add to an on-paper very insane core
only time will tell
Ohk genius u are talking about sen and nrg .sen has two loud player so there will always be a communication gap between them how hard they will try. Nrg has optic core but you are forgetting they do not have yay and marved now. optic team was good as a whole not by 3 players. Fns=vanity if you look up there matches they were always close if fns has a upper hand in igling then vanity have a upper hand with firepower so it makes them equal. Leaf is far better than zekken. Xeppa ,zellsis top 5 initiator. Yay is yay. And also dephh is a weak igl if you look c9 vs xset not even 1 match is won by xset. C9 is not overrated they are the best team in na now with mce and the amount of fire power they hold.
"there will always be a communication gap" Sacy literally speaks great english but go off I guess. MF acts like you cant play on a team with different countries represented. Acend won champions in 2021 with players who's primary languages were Polish, Turkish, Ukrainian and Finnish. FPX won Coppenhagen with Swedish, Latvian, Ukrainian, Danish and Russian. 5 players that speak perfect English and 1 player who still has months left to learn the semi-decent english needed for communication does not mean shit lol.
The OpTic comparison is kinda dumb too, ardiis is arguably better than yay due to not mechanics but flexibility, so they hardly lose anything there, the controller role is the only role I can see being an issue and that can mostly become FNS job or can stay with s0m who already plays it. Leaf I wouldn't say is FAR better but I guess yaeh, Xeppa and Zellsis are absolutely not top 5 initiators in the world and even in Americas I can think of 5 players that top them easy. yay is yay sure, dephh is anything but a weak igl, I don't care what the record between C9 and XSET is you should care that XSET got top 6 at champions with dephh and C9 fell at 4th in the LCQ.
They have the best player in the world (yay). Leaf was a top 3 player in NA at the end of 2021. Vanity is one of the best igls in Na, led 2 different teams to lan. Zellsis and Xeppaa are both great flex players who have proven to be able to carry games and all 5 players have good proven lan results/experience. I think being able to say that leaf is your second best player is kind of crazy if you ask me.
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