They have the best player in the world (yay). Leaf was a top 3 player in NA at the end of 2021. Vanity is one of the best igls in Na, led 2 different teams to lan. Zellsis and Xeppaa are both great flex players who have proven to be able to carry games and all 5 players have good proven lan results/experience. I think being able to say that leaf is your second best player is kind of crazy if you ask me.
Dokka [#3]Yay is the best player intw
Zellsis/xeppaa top 3-5 flex in NA
Leaf top 5 duelist NA
vanity top 5 igl in NAOnly issue I see may be the roles but they have plenty of time to mold the players
Also, all the rosters are going to be overrated until we see them play
Fair but those players are good domestically and when you have teams like SEN and NRG who have players who've been to International LAN and have proven that they're the best and compete against the best then I just don’t see why C9 is currently above them in most rankings and even above LOUD and PRX in some cases because of one player when the C9 core hasn’t actually achieved much this year
and true most rosters are going to be overrated but overrating Fnatic and Sentinels for example makes sense because with the players they have they should be title contenders next year whereas C9 has the potential but on paper isn’t that close
ColdWKey [#5]Fair but those players are good domestically and when you have teams like SEN and NRG who have players who've been to International LAN and have proven that they're the best and compete against the best then I just don’t see why C9 is currently above them in most rankings and even above LOUD and PRX in some cases because of one player when the C9 core hasn’t actually achieved much this year
and true most rosters are going to be overrated but overrating Fnatic and Sentinels for example makes sense because with the players they have they should be title contenders next year whereas C9 has the potential but on paper isn’t that close
Vanity took two V1 and C9 to Masters and Champs respectively
Zellsis was on Lan in Reykjavik
With Vanity, Xeppaa, and Leaf, C9 was the only NA team to make Champs playoffs in 2021
Yay is yay
One player can drastically change a team. When Envy got yay before Berlin they made the Lan and finals
When C9 dropped Xeta and, sorry to say fell off
Two cracked players can drastically change a team and add to an on-paper very insane core
only time will tell
Dokka [#9]Vanity took two V1 and C9 to Masters and Champs respectively
Zellsis was on Lan in ReykjavikWith Vanity, Xeppaa, and Leaf, C9 was the only NA team to make Champs playoffs in 2021
Yay is yayOne player can drastically change a team. When Envy got yay before Berlin they made the Lan and finals
When C9 dropped Xeta and, sorry to say fell offTwo cracked players can drastically change a team and add to an on-paper very insane core
only time will tell
Literally this, they only looked so shit because they dropped xeta. They also almost made it to Iceland this year as well but the guard popped off (who Mce was coaching then).
himne [#7]apart from the players, mce is a good coach too.
Literally third best proven coach in NA. I'd only put Chet and Sykko above him in terms of awards.
Dokka [#3]Yay is the best player intw
Zellsis/xeppaa top 3-5 flex in NA
Leaf top 5 duelist NA
vanity top 5 igl in NAOnly issue I see may be the roles but they have plenty of time to mold the players
Also, all the rosters are going to be overrated until we see them play
Xeppaa is transitioning to full time info initiator and leaf to sentinel
haizzz [#14]yay- atleast top3 players
leaf- crazy entry
xeppaa- flex, high firepower
zellsis- same as xeppaa
vanity- one of the best na igls
mce- brought unknown talent to mastersand- xeppaa, leaf, vanity, mce was in a team during cs and won various events. they already know each other
I'm not saying the roster is bad the players are all good but on paper are they better than SEN and NRG players? I'm sure C9 will do good next year but are they really up there with DRX, NaVi, SEN, Fnatic and perhaps even NRG?
saka [#16]yay kinda goated and SEN could be insane but also flop, C9 feels like a safe bet i guess
I mean yeah SEN is hit or miss but I'm specifically talking fire power and overall ranking based on performance of the players pre franchising would you say C9 are above SEN in both aspects?
zardinez [#11]Literally third best proven coach in NA. I'd only put Chet and Sykko above him in terms of awards.
the best proven coach is kaplan i think but not discrediting mce
ColdWKey [#5]Fair but those players are good domestically and when you have teams like SEN and NRG who have players who've been to International LAN and have proven that they're the best and compete against the best then I just don’t see why C9 is currently above them in most rankings and even above LOUD and PRX in some cases because of one player when the C9 core hasn’t actually achieved much this year
and true most rosters are going to be overrated but overrating Fnatic and Sentinels for example makes sense because with the players they have they should be title contenders next year whereas C9 has the potential but on paper isn’t that close
Ohk genius u are talking about sen and nrg .sen has two loud player so there will always be a communication gap between them how hard they will try. Nrg has optic core but you are forgetting they do not have yay and marved now. optic team was good as a whole not by 3 players. Fns=vanity if you look up there matches they were always close if fns has a upper hand in igling then vanity have a upper hand with firepower so it makes them equal. Leaf is far better than zekken. Xeppa ,zellsis top 5 initiator. Yay is yay. And also dephh is a weak igl if you look c9 vs xset not even 1 match is won by xset. C9 is not overrated they are the best team in na now with mce and the amount of fire power they hold.
ColdWKey [#17]I'm not saying the roster is bad the players are all good but on paper are they better than SEN and NRG players? I'm sure C9 will do good next year but are they really up there with DRX, NaVi, SEN, Fnatic and perhaps even NRG?
my point is nrg and sen have to start from the bottom with new players/coaches and environment. ardis/sacy/pancada have to adapt to na and get to know each other. while c9 already have that core and chemistry, with the only exception being yay. so they start at higher ground
NOCAPPPA [#19]the best proven coach is kaplan i think but not discrediting mce
??? For Ghost? I loved that team but they didn't ever make internationals or anythings.
Dokka [#3]Yay is the best player intw
Zellsis/xeppaa top 3-5 flex in NA
Leaf top 5 duelist NA
vanity top 5 igl in NAOnly issue I see may be the roles but they have plenty of time to mold the players
Also, all the rosters are going to be overrated until we see them play
leaf and xeppaa are overrated af
vanity, yay and zellsis only good players
juugobr_ [#25]SEN overhype is even worse tbf. washed t0nz transitioning to OPer, they will have troubles with the comms at the beginning and dephh is dephh
SEN gonna win kickoff lil jit
Zekken owns all of VCT
shockyyyy [#27]Atm currently, they are properly hyped. But its really hard to grade who is better because of the amount of firepower and superteams at the high level. Teams like FNC, C9, TL, NAVI, SEN, 100T, DRX maybe NRG could probably win against any team on a given good day.
Teams like FNC, C9, TL, NAVI, SEN, 100T, DRX maybe NRG could probably win against any team on a given good day.
Z3ROx1013 [#20]Ohk genius u are talking about sen and nrg .sen has two loud player so there will always be a communication gap between them how hard they will try. Nrg has optic core but you are forgetting they do not have yay and marved now. optic team was good as a whole not by 3 players. Fns=vanity if you look up there matches they were always close if fns has a upper hand in igling then vanity have a upper hand with firepower so it makes them equal. Leaf is far better than zekken. Xeppa ,zellsis top 5 initiator. Yay is yay. And also dephh is a weak igl if you look c9 vs xset not even 1 match is won by xset. C9 is not overrated they are the best team in na now with mce and the amount of fire power they hold.
"there will always be a communication gap" Sacy literally speaks great english but go off I guess. MF acts like you cant play on a team with different countries represented. Acend won champions in 2021 with players who's primary languages were Polish, Turkish, Ukrainian and Finnish. FPX won Coppenhagen with Swedish, Latvian, Ukrainian, Danish and Russian. 5 players that speak perfect English and 1 player who still has months left to learn the semi-decent english needed for communication does not mean shit lol.
The OpTic comparison is kinda dumb too, ardiis is arguably better than yay due to not mechanics but flexibility, so they hardly lose anything there, the controller role is the only role I can see being an issue and that can mostly become FNS job or can stay with s0m who already plays it. Leaf I wouldn't say is FAR better but I guess yaeh, Xeppa and Zellsis are absolutely not top 5 initiators in the world and even in Americas I can think of 5 players that top them easy. yay is yay sure, dephh is anything but a weak igl, I don't care what the record between C9 and XSET is you should care that XSET got top 6 at champions with dephh and C9 fell at 4th in the LCQ.
Henbi [#29]"there will always be a communication gap" Sacy literally speaks great english but go off I guess. MF acts like you cant play on a team with different countries represented. Acend won champions in 2021 with players who's primary languages were Polish, Turkish, Ukrainian and Finnish. FPX won Coppenhagen with Swedish, Latvian, Ukrainian, Danish and Russian. 5 players that speak perfect English and 1 player who still has months left to learn the semi-decent english needed for communication does not mean shit lol.
The OpTic comparison is kinda dumb too, ardiis is arguably better than yay due to not mechanics but flexibility, so they hardly lose anything there, the controller role is the only role I can see being an issue and that can mostly become FNS job or can stay with s0m who already plays it. Leaf I wouldn't say is FAR better but I guess yaeh, Xeppa and Zellsis are absolutely not top 5 initiators in the world and even in Americas I can think of 5 players that top them easy. yay is yay sure, dephh is anything but a weak igl, I don't care what the record between C9 and XSET is you should care that XSET got top 6 at champions with dephh and C9 fell at 4th in the LCQ.
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