Top 10 initiators NA?

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GooberBoy

Personal order for me

First Tier: Trent
Second Tier: Crashies Xeppaa Derrek
Third Tier: BcJ EEIU Asuna Ethan
Fourth Tier: c0m
fifth tier: jonahp (this 10th spot was hard, was also thinking effys, genghsta or sick as HM but jonahp has a shit ton of flexibility)

IMO the first 3 tiers should be locks for franchsiing, c0m and jonahp also IMO deserve it with the 6th man rules coming in.

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JonahP must have done something to you personally because there is now way you have him that low

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jonahp is a bot, no bias

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GooberBoy

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IMO he's a jack of all trades player but as a pure initiator doesn't jump off the page on any agent apart from breach and sage who isn't an initiator. His kay/o and skye are fine but IMO subpar, and his stats are inflated by him playing a bit of duelist/chamber for TGRD this year. Having lan experience is a big plus but if you notice most of the guys above him are all good fade players which he hasn't shown. If he develops a good fade alongside his Lan experience he's def t1 level, but IMO he's best suited as a 6th man on a team rn.

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You are making good points (I think his skye is pretty good but eh), but you put c0m, ethan, and eeiu above him? I mean I think eeiu is underrated but putting him 2 tiers above JonahP who was playing very well at the end of the year is a bit of a reach for me.

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Ethan has just as wide an agent pool but plays kay/o and skye at a for sure higher level and though he didn't play it much this year we know his sage is top tier. If we're talking overall flexibility jonahp is above the others mentioned but I'll take Ethan's kayo skye breach over Jonahp's, alongside that EEIU and c0m are top tier on breach(they might be the 2 best in NA with his utility and self sufficiency) play really good sovas and fade, EEIU is obv above c0m on those agents but IMO they're so good at the 3 they play more than the 3 jonah plays. Again though this is a subjective list and I think after my top 4 I'm up for argument.

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Right but JonahP aim diffs are 3 of those players by a good bit. I dont think his utility is the greatest but his aim towards the end of the year was unreal in my memory (maybe im making this up im not looking up stats)

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Asuna is not an initiator player

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vastira

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he has played kayo skye fade

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h9zard

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zekken has played Sova and Kayo too but they are flex players. Asuna also plays Raze and Neon.

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Neonfreak

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But Derrek is 100T's initiator player, not asuna. Asuna is a flex.

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vastira

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my point is why are u specifically talking about asuna like ethan jonah xeppaa arent on the list lol

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Neonfreak

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I was just responding to your comment I think they are all flex players and shouldn't be on here. Tbh I forgot jonahp has evolved into a flex bc he used to just be initiator mainly

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GooberBoy

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he's top 5 in rounds played in t1 na games on kayo and skye, as well as having played fade before derrek took it up on 100t. He plays 3 initiators at a proficient and t1 level, he def deserves to be on the list even if he's also insane at raze.

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h9zard

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Kayo and Skye players are usually considered flex players cause of the nature of the agents being duelist like. Players like zekken. nismo etc should also be included then.

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GooberBoy

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I understand that but the difference is Asuna played his majority of the games on those initiators, while also adding fade to his agent pool. Nismo only played Kay/o as an initiator this year, and Zekken played the majority of his games as an entry even though he does play kayo and sova. At this point they're all flexs but Asuna is for sure more of an "initiator player" than zekken and nismo are.

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h9zard

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ok that makes sense. its just that the lines between considering someone a flex or initiator are so blurry so its confusing.

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GooberBoy

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Ya if I was doing overall flex over multiple roles Jonahp would be higher, guys like bang would be here, jawgemo, moose and zekken would also have spots but rn I think of specifically their play on initiators Asuna trumps the other two.

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Bcj #1

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moatz

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W. Easily best initiator itw, not just na

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babysasuke

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tied with crashies

both better than stax tho, he doesnt do anything special

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moatz

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Yea
DRX would prolly still do good with Kanpeki

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ckngml

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how? stax is the igl. bcj couldn’t replace him even if his korean was perfect

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moatz

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BCJ's strats are acc insane
Have u ever seen bcj lose a pro game when he's been the igl?

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Hieratic

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Nismo should be in here, either tier 3 or 4

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GooberBoy

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Nismo only plays Raze and Kayo, which he's insane at both at don't get me wrong I think he and asuna are the best raze/kayo players in na, but he only played those two so I can't put him as an overall initiator He also plays skye but hasn't shown it in a while and in general is just an entry that plays kayo as a duelist.

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GreyDaze

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Crashies>>Trent

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unknown_trash

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I get trent is good but where is all this love for trent coming from.? What happened to bcj the highest rated and therefore best initiator at champions or crashies who has carried optic when yay has had off days? I'm not saying trent is bad or doesn't deserve it but hes 3rd place atm imo.

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lilbhosduu

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BcJ >>>Xeppa as initiators

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astroversed

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crashies trent xeppaa
bcj eeiu derrek asuna ethan sick
dapr c0m jonahp flyuh shahzam

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BonoVox

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Sacy is now NA :B

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gamr

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Trent with music destroys everyone on this list and it really isn’t close. Trent without music is the worst player on this list possibly

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PigExe

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"trent #1"
Honestly music yeah sure he plays better with it, but even if we are talking about with music, most initiators on this list would be better, considering they have more Lan experience than him.
Trent is good, sure, but he is not on a whole different level than the other iniators

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espeon

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why is trent #1 when both crashies and bcj have both proved themselves to be some of the best in the world? surely thats a joke right

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YabbaYabba24818

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i think crashies bcj are tier one, trent is close behind, cuz he is still absolutely insane