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ShahZaM on the way out???

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#1
AhteaK

With everyone saying that shaz is the problem with SEN, do you think he is out and if so where does everyone think he could go in tier 1 if he finds a team?

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If Shahzam leaves, he’s still going to compete for sure.

On Twitch Rivals though

#16
maxi447
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based sen fan response

#20
iehn
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eibarman is finished

#65
PigExe
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Shaz lost his touch, watch Masayoshi beat him in tr

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Pumsyslayer
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His raze do be cracked tho

#3
sim
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Feel like if Shahz gets dropped, he's not getting picked up by any other franchise team and he probably would just commit to full-time content. Would actually like to see him compete in the ascension league, because I do think he is still a solid player despite the hate, but I doubt he would be willing to grind tbh.

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chimpy
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He has a terrible mental. No teams gonna pick him up either

#5
number1_MIBR_hater
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He already said he makes more money from streaming... And it's clear he doesn't have the thrill to compete. At this point he is just a paycheck stealer

#7
VP
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Agree, If he would have focued on the team more then team then SEN could have done a lot better this year..

#8
RickyIndian
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he streamed far less this year compared to last.

it's a false narrative at this point that people keep pushing

also, people don't understand how much streaming makes you as a player.

#9
number1_MIBR_hater
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he streamed far less this year compared to last.

Doesn't matter. He is out for the money and if he lost the thrill to compete he could be watching netflix instead of streaming, he would be a paycheck stealer anyway

it's a false narrative at this point that people keep pushing

The narrative is that sentineLs players doesn't want to improve and to compete. They're not out for the glory and the sportsmanship, they just want money and social media impression

also, people don't understand how much streaming makes you as a player.

Sacy streams a lot and he actually improved from last year. Same with Saadhak

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RickyIndian
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Doesn't matter. He is out for the money and if he lost the thrill to compete he could be watching netflix instead of streaming, he would be a paycheck stealer anyway

that's purely your opinion

The narrative is that sentineLs players doesn't want to improve and to compete. They're not out for the glory and the sportsmanship, they just want money and social media impression

when you watch them play, you can still clearly see the competitive fire in them. especially after seeing the SEN documentary, they all looked very motivated to win

Sacy streams a lot and he actually improved from last year. Same with Saadhak

their circumstances are very different

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number1_MIBR_hater
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yeah of course they have the fire in them. That's why right after losing the most inportant game in the year, shahzam opened his stream to play ranked L M A O

And yes, sacy/saadhak are not on a clown org focused on content creation and they actually want to win and study the game with their coach.

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RickyIndian
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what's wrong with streaming after their year is over? i don't get it. you want to start mourning their loess for the next year?

SEN had to deal with so many random substitutions and were covid ridden throughout the year.
ex. dani and rawkus subbing against optic and rawkus having to play more than half the group stage. tenz was sick during LCQ and they couldn't practice. SEN got covid during stage 1 playoffs and they mentioned how much it impacted them

#17
SilentNight
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We dont care man Shahz is already a finished player bring in dephh or FNS

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number1_MIBR_hater
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If you don't see a problem with shahzam streaming and laughing after the team he is captain just lost the great chance to compete on the biggest valorant event of the year, then we can stop right here cause I don't have anything to say to you, lil bro

#23
RickyIndian
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in your opinion, what should shaz have done? because moving past a loss is the best thing you can do

#25
number1_MIBR_hater
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He should step down as IGL since he clearly isnt fit for it

#26
Perma
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nah he should quit and stick to content creation since he loves streaming so much

#53
Guns258
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Maybe start preparing for next year, do some vod review with the coach and team, start skirms or planning for the next tourney. Or even better yet join the lower tier tourneys and get some practice in to prepare for next year. There are many things he could of done instead of streaming.
Think about it this way, if you fail a test do you... A: go over the questions you got wrong and try to understand your mistakes and how to get the correct answer to prepare for the next text. B: say gg and then start playing games with your friends.
IMO thats what shazam should of done instead of streaming but at the same time I understand your point too. There is a huge gap between the next big tourney so it might be good for him to stream and let off some steam. But then again we don't know what he is doing when he is not streaming.

#66
PigExe
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holy w take

#68
Dybala21
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Wise people read all of this, not wise people will stop reading at streaming

#62
nklx
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A lot of players play ranked after losing tournament games—the reason why u don't know this or don't articulate this is because you want your preconceived bias to be as strong & disingenuous as possible. He also did not play ranked on stream that day

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This forum is terrible lmao. Only the most bad faith and disingenuous shit gets trotted out here as though one genuinely has the interior details of the team and is in synchrony with the interior thoughts of the players themselves. If shahz truly did lose his will to compete, he definitely would have gone full-time content creator by now, as streaming comprises a disproportionate amount of his revenue. Everything you say is just baseless headcanon & recycled superlatives—the are ways to talk about people in a measured manner, even the people you dislike

#11
busterD
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So as a sen fan you rather see your team players stream and make individual big bucks than focus on competing and lift a trophy. Na sports culture kek.

#19
SaltyMcNulty
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ShahZam's stream numbers:
Jan 1st- sep 28th 2021 = 1635 hours
Jan 1st- sep 28th 2022= 1629 hours
Not 'far less'. Also, these are just some insane numbers btw. For comparison, some other IGLs stream hours in that time period :\
Boaster= 147 hrs
Vanity= 572 hrs
Most IGLs don't even stream and here he is streaming more than popular val players like TenZ(493 hrs), Laz(469 hrs) etc. Content creators like xQc gets props for insane numbers cz it takes a whole lottta effort and passion. I honestly think Shahz genuinely loves streaming and good for him but don't make it about him being dedicated to pro play. A dedicated IGL doesn't stream 9hrs of ranked and waste his energy on bullshit Jett gameplay the night before an important match.

#22
number1_MIBR_hater
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W

#24
RickyIndian
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those timings also include the off season in which they don't need to practice or scrim

#31
SaltyMcNulty
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There were off season/idle periods in 2021 too. For example SEN didn't had to play LCQ so we had lot of free time before that but this yr that wasn't the case. And whose fault is that we don't play LANs and have idle time? I have said in the past that I don't mind shahz staying if he is surrounded by a capable coach and a team but if he continues this way then honestly he will have even more off season in 2023 cz we won't be playing any LANs.

#33
RickyIndian
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no im saying that those off periods likely inflate the numbers, the numbers that you should be looking at are during tournaments

#41
SaltyMcNulty
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Other people have off seasons too man so why aren't their numbers inflated? 1635 hrs 240days active out of 270 days is just ridiculous!

#45
SaltyMcNulty
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LCQ ended on 15 august. To that date he streamed 1315hrs more than 2x/3x of some other popular val players. I don't like giving people shit for getting the bag but you can't argue that this is not hampering performance and input in the server. There's a reason people like Ange1,Boaster,FNS don't stream when they have more entertaining personalities and could make a lot more from streaming. Like you can't tell me FNS wouldn't be the funniest streamer and wouldn't have like 10k ppl watching him every stream by the quality of streams he provided during his LCQ watch parties.

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babysasuke
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What are you talking about lmfaoooo

LCQ ended, he has no tournaments for like 6 months, the roster is not going to be the same for kick off, AND he’s one of the biggest valorant streamers, what the fuck else is he supposed to do

100% braindead take

And what are you talking about with the people with “better personalities” hahahahaha

Boaster is a cringe loser with no aim (who is watching him stream???), Ardiis is incomprehensible, and Shaz is WAY more exciting than FNS

Maybe talk less and just watch the games because you have no idea what you’re talking about

EDIT: I misread your comment at first but most of this is still true and you’re still lost, GG. I hope SEN gets better fans in franchising league

#47
RickyIndian
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holy fucking BASED giga W

#49
SaltyMcNulty
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You are replying to something where I specifically put his stream hrs till that date when LCQ ended! I didn't say 'better personalities', I said exciting/ entertaining personalities but that is upto each their own so I will let it slide. But one of the biggest streamers with 3k viewers when tarik is live? Yeah, give it a rest LUL

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RickyIndian
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instead of finding the time between all of that, help me understand how much he streamed during these time periods.

Apr 1 - Jun 12
July 28 - Aug 11
Feb 11 - March 20

and in those points that he wasn't playing, i think it's fine that he streams a certain amount AS LONG AS it doesn't get in the way of their practice. Shaz has confirmed that streaming has never gotten in the way of their practice schedule.

#46
Blazieboy
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where do you get these numbers from?

#50
SaltyMcNulty
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twitch tracker

#6
RickyIndian
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he said he is going to stay pro and i assume that's going to be with sentinels

#10
BigTiddyMilf
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Everyone is just setting themselves up for disappointment.

Shahzam is not leaving Sentinels, sadly. I wish we could've gotten FNS but it's just not happening.

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Blazieboy
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I don't mind Shahzam staying, he's certainly one of the only fragging IGLs here in NA and his calls in-game have been good in the LCQ. Just a reminder that SEN as a whole had a lot of problems this VCT (losing Rawkus, Sick due to mental issues and Tenz due to sickness in a few games).

However I do need to see a cultural shift in the SEN Valorant roster as a whole. Please drop Rawkus or at least demote him to ass. coach spot. There are many good coaches in NA who are free agents now( Mce, Kaplan, Chet, etc.) and set up an analyst team along with Weltis. Heard that 100T has 3 or 4 analysts. Setting up a proper structure is really important for the org that prioritizes winning.
Winning = Free content!!

#18
h9zard
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Rawkus to ass. coach

i see what you did there 🍑🤤

#59
Supr3meGucci
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Only coach worthy of ass coach position

#30
h9zard
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Hot take : I still think Shahz is a really good player but he can't be competing on a franchised team if he wants to keep streaming 8hrs a day. Also unless they get FNS or dephh there is not a clear better IGL available. So if they keep him he needs to change shit up and there needs to be a strict coach and other pieces keeping him and all the players in check. But I would much rather have FNS or dephh.

#34
AhteaK
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What have i done???

#43
Perma
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someone got onions out :((

#55
Tentativas
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They HAVE to kick him bro, like my god how can you make it so clear that you prioritize streaming over competing and still be in the active roster. If SEN keep shaz he's definitely sucking the CEO's cock or something

#57
elayaCL
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I think the narrative of Shazham being bad is made here in vlr.
He's a good igl, he frags. It's just massive hate from people who don't like Sentinels.

#61
jawn
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the hate boner is crazy

#71
zen-o
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He’s not even that bad. Sen might have bombed out of LCQ, but they out really great fights to the two finalists.

This sub just shits on sentinels bar shahzam for personal circumstances that they can’t control. I do agree with the criticism that shahz streams too much. But dapr, tenz barely stream at all

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