ShahZam doesn't need to go!

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SaltyMcNulty

Is he the best IGL in NA? No. Is he the best Initiator in NA? No but he isn't the worst either. Let's be honest, Shahz hasn't had the best circumstances with this team in 2023. To start with, he didn't have a coach for most of the yr and he had one it was a rookie coach. SicK, arguably the most important player on this roster was suffering a role crisis and then took a sabbatical in the middle of the Challengers tournament. Even though he green lighted it, signings like kanpeki, shroud weren't the most inspiring in terms fielding a competitive roster. To me it feels like the org wanted to wait for franchising and wanted to make do with clout for the mean time. I can't blame all that on ShahZam only. With 4 competent players and a good coaching stuff alongside him I still think he can deliver.

TL:DR- ShahZam didn't have the best set of circumstances in 2022 with SicK leaving, no coach to getting a sub per coach and then the org not being committed to winning. With a competitive and competent roster in 2023 he can still deliver. Bar FNS and may be dephh, I don't see many IGLs that can do the job better than him.

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he can stay as streamer

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My first conditions for him to stay on the playing roster would be to cut back streaming hours. I didn't like how he was streaming till late hours even the night before his games. He was justifying it by saying that people wouldn't care if he was just watching anime and shit offline which wasn't an argument made in good faith imo.

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Sanest sen fan

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I mean if FNS and dephh are available then they should go get them instead

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They should but if there's bidding war going on for them I do think it's not too bad to retain shaz and get controller, flex players that can frag out. Like get zekken, marved or trent etc.

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Doesn't Sentinels have the capital to contribute to a bidding war anyways? I feel like the IGL might be the role for Sentinels to splurge on if they wanted too.

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Yep, sen with their current roster and a legit igl can compete.

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If they cant get FNS or dephh I dont think anyone else will be a definite upgrade to Shaz.

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In terms of igling I think valyn is upgrade, Zander too. But they might keep shazam as an initiator flex which could work imo

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Zander is not an upgrade in terms of igling, I dont think

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I think Valyn is a gamble. I dont find his IGL ing to be much better than Shahz and also idk if he has a strong enough personality to manage other players on SEN. Zander is def not a better IGL than Shaz but is an amazing player. So they could still get him as a controller.

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Zander could turn out to be a diamond under the rug but he ha s achieved and showed nothing yet to be this much hyped and rated. I don't understand how people can confidently have him in 1/5 franchised teams, as an IGL no less when V1 was thinking about releasing him LMAO. Unreal

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They can get igls with better results and performances than him so ig they'll replace him.

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SaltyMcNulty

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Better results with better team and coaching stuff. Fixed it for you.

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not even top 5 IGLs in NA

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Who are your top 5?

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As igls, Fns, Vanity, dephh, poised, haze, and maybe ayrin all come to mind, from what ive seen vanity dephh and poised are all better fraggers aswell. Valyn could also be a sleeper pick but idk how close to his old form he is as both a player and a caller

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not in order but
FNS
Dephh
Vanity
Valyn
Poised

as of right now speaking
HM: Hazed, Zander, Boostio.

Would argue that all of them RIGHT NOW either beat shaz in calling or fragging, if not both. Their teams all do better with the exception of V1 and EG (arguable, they had the better 2022)

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2022 wasnt a good year for sentinels, 2021 They Did good the first half of the year and just fell of at champs, with no coaching and not shifting to a meta change was the reason that had a bad ending to 2022, ShaZ is a good IGL look what he did in LCQ with actual comps that matched the meta and etc, to say that he didnt show everyone hes sitll one of the best and plus I dont think you could name 5 better IGLS, Obv FNS, dephh but who else.... after that there isnt a huge gap with any other IGL In NA. Plus his fragging power? without a doubt shaz has the best fragging power on the IGL role in NA.

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Sen fans new arguments: Our IGL isn't the worst so we should keep him.
I think a lot of the teams that didn't get selected have better IGLS than Shaz.(dazzLe, valyn, zander) At the very least, a change is needed as it seems that Shaz has hit a ceiling in his Valorant life that is lower than other players.

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How are dazzle and zander better exactly?

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I've been impressed by dazzle and I think he is an underrated IGL in NA. I think he has better utility usage than Shaz as well. Zander would be an interesting solution for Sentinels because he could cover their smokes and allow Sick to play agents he is more comfortable on. I was impressed by his mid-rounding on V1 as well.

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Whats has zander or dazzle showed that they are better than shahz

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I think zander with V1 in VCT showed a lot of good things and would solve some sentinels agent issues. Dazzle has better utility usage than shahz imo and would be a fresh change. I'm not saying these are guaranteed things, just my opinion :)

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v1 didn't even make LCQ and bombed out in the Open! V1 was about to drop him and V1 effys said that wippie was doing most of their mid rounding which is the most important trait of a good IGL since anyone can call strats if you have good coaching stuff to set you up.

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Oh I didn't know wippie was doing their mid rounding, that changes a lot of my opinion.

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wtf r u even smoking zander is ass now, dazzle has always been medicore, valyn is pretty good but u don't know how chem will work out

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Ur acting like the chemistry has worked for Sen in the past year. Shit already isn't working, they need to make some changes.IMO Valyn = automatic upgrade. Dazzle = maybe upgrade. Zander = most likely an upgrade. Sen looked so stagnant this whole year, they need some kind of changes. At the very LEAST a coaching change

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zander is horrible bro

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Not fucking zander💀💀

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I forgot about dephh as well. Def an upgrade.

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Lmao I literally made the same point in a post 1 or 2 days back

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One of the few SEN fans I'm willing to listen to.

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shockyyyy

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If SEN cant get fns or dephh, they should stick with shahz. An argument can be made for vayln

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I sincerely think that a coaching staff has the most impact on the IGLing, obviusly it also depends on the IGL himself, but do you think stellar was that good IGL without sgares and MikeHD?
Shaz has proven that he can be on the top NA IGLs, if they improve their coaching staff, now that there are more coaches to pick from, Im sure his IGLing will improve and most likely his fragging also

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SaltyMcNulty

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Totally agree with this. I think ShahZam could easily work with a respectable Coach and be better at his job. If he expects his coach to be buddy buddy like Rawkus then it's tough.

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Jano0310

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I agree sometimes the coach needs to tell you your mistakes, and it isnt to downgrade you, but to see the best version of yourself.
I would personaly like to see Sliggy on SEN, after all, they wanted him after iceland but he ended up on Liquid
I think with someone like him on SEN, Shaz IGLing would definetly improve

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Honestly change Rawkus with Chet and it's GG

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Shahzam isn't top 5 igls. Sen isn't a top 5 team. All they have going on for them are clout. The only reason they came close to beating tgrd and 100t in lcq was due to zellsis and maybe a little bit of contribution from tenz. Shahzam is not franchising material

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Same goes for Ge there is no one good in GE besite SK rossi Snipe Skills I hope they switch up the whole roster cause if they have same roster as now they are not winning single shit

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once a rat always a rat

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busterD

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How many people has shahzam paid to make so many posts and comments claiming he’s not the problem? Just want to know for research purposes

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chimpy

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Sure he’s not bad at the game, but his mental about playing pro is so bad