They are now going to Serbia for a 15 day bootcamp before the VCT finals, they will come back much stronger and maybe get one of the spots. Maybe we'll have Vikings and Sharks in Masters again :X
RIP Mwzera at international stage
Source: https://twitter.com/sharksesportsgg/status/1420180756035473424?s=21
Wait after thinking about it i'm 99% sure they're boot camping in Serbia because it is a good central location in EU, where they can scrim against many EU teams and get way better. This actually seems like an insane move, but if they wanted to do that, they should've went to NA bc we're the better region + the best team in the world 😏
Sure their move made sense but what you're saying doesnt make sense at all. you're implying that EU as a region is better at that when thats not the case. NA is the better region until proven otherwise. EU is not a bad region by any means but we're still better. No NA teams are like that, in the tier 1 scene at least, and even in the high tier 1.5/tier 2 scene. This generalization is completely ignorant and just blatantly rejects facts
of course, because everything pros say are 100% true and factual right? Just because he says that doesn't mean it is factual lol, it's not logical either. Its basic common sense, NA teams were much more competitive with SEN and took maps off them, while no EU teams could do the same. V1 with a stand-in beat the 2nd best team in all of EMEA, when V1 with a stand in would get rolled by other NA teams.
Cope harder lol. Liquid did not get lucky, they just peaked during that time. They were the top 2 teams in EMEA 100%. You cant call multiple wins over multiple tourneys luck. Sure they're worse after iceland, but so is fnatic. That doesnt take away from the fact that they represented the top of EMEA. They righttfully beat all the top teams and then lost to v1 with a stand in. Pathetic fucking EU copium here, genuinely concerning to see how hard people like you will try to pull excuses out of your ass. Get a life bro LMAO.
says the one who felt the need to look into my posts and actually analyze them? Cringe as fuck LMAO. 20% of them are paragraphs which I wrote in the spawn of a few minutes. You dont know me bro ur literally a nukkye dick rider lmao. This dude has no life and will infinitely respond to people no matter what. I disengage as soon as its obvious that the other person in the argument is an idiot, which most people on this site including you are
Even TL who was at top of their game was in top 4 in Iceland... Fnatic beat second best NA team at the time V1... 2 out of top 4 teams at the time were from EU... Sentinels being at top of their game and on top of Valorant doesn't immediately make whole region "the best"...
So do not be in denial and enjoy a little competition... and chill tf out bruh, you're putting to much effort into this
V1 with a stand-in was not 2nd best NA team. V1 at peak form with full squad was 2nd best NA, and not even by a far margin at all. 2nd best NA could've easily gone to Envy or C9b. all the matches were close. V1 at iceland they had jammyz. They were obviously worse, yet went 14-12 against fnatic and choked it once again. 2 of top 4 teams doesnt mean shit when Liquid obviously had the easier bracket. They lost to V1 and had a breeze in the lower. If v1 went against TL in lower and TL won then you could make that argument. But V1 >> TL and thats with a stand in LMAO. FNC >> TL at that time as well
No ones putting effort in this, i'm quite literally watching matches and typing this out as its common sense that you EU fans high on copium cannot understand
EU do have better strats overall. Like SEN and teams from NA have better mid round adaptation. But it's undeniable that EU does have the best pre planned strats except for maybe KR. KR isn't probably the style that Sharks want to copy though.
Also Sentinels in NA still is the best team in NA by a far margin. But the teams from EU who won in Iceland. Aren't even in top 4 in challengers 1 stage 3. That's showing that teams are improving. By a lot. I do think Sentinels is best team in the world until proven wrong. But saying that NA is still the best region is really unknown because EU does have the bigger scene overall so there will be more high level competition. Like there's only 15 or so teams that are considered Tier 1 or 1.5 in NA. There are like 25 or so Tier 1 or 1.5 teams in EMEA. I think this is overall just a better choice for Sharks in my opinion.
The EU scene is growing and saying that NA is objectively better is incorrect. Of course EU isn't the better scene objectively. But NA isn't either.
Also teams overall just have improved since Iceland. We can't say for sure if either region is better than the other. Watch the games on September 9th and we'll see.
Ur not wrong lmao. I can't wait until berlin though. But school starts again so I'm not sure if I'll be able to watch all of the games. During Reykjavik I just watched it during online class because nothing important was happening in class at that part of the year. But I can't do that anymore because in person sadge.
"EU do have better strats overall. Like SEN and teams from NA have better mid round adaptation. But it's undeniable that EU does have the best pre planned strats except for maybe KR. KR isn't probably the style that Sharks want to copy though."
Definitely not. They dont have better strats, and you have no evidence to justify that. Its a groundless statement.
"Also Sentinels in NA still is the best team in NA by a far margin."
Definitely not. You dont watch NA valorant which is obvious. They lost to XSET, and went to OT with 100T. Even before Iceland, they lost a map to almost every NA team in the playoffs..
"But the teams from EU who won in Iceland. Aren't even in top 4 in challengers 1 stage 3. That's showing that teams are improving"
Its obvious that Fnatic is just rusty, and even then it doesnt matter. They were at their PEAK back then, if other teams improve it doesnt mean the other NA teams arent improving too.
"But saying that NA is still the best region is really unknown because EU does have the bigger scene overall so there will be more high level competition. Like there's only 15 or so teams that are considered Tier 1 or 1.5 in NA. There are like 25 or so Tier 1 or 1.5 teams in EMEA"
Its not unknown because we have previous results to work from. I'm not saying EU cant win Berlin or whatever, its just that NA is better until proven otherwise. Which will happen at Berlin. And saying that there are '25' tier 1 or 1.5 teams is inherently wrong because you cant have that many teams within tier 1. tier 1 is for the elite of the elite, the consistent top 8. I dont care how many tier 1.5 /2 teams there are. What matters is the tier 1 teams.
"he EU scene is growing and saying that NA is objectively better is incorrect. Of course EU isn't the better scene objectively. But NA isn't either."
Its not incorrect, its the most logical assessment of the regions strengths rn. And it is definitely objective. Obviously we have no way to factually 100% know who would win RIGHT NOW if the regions went head to head, but we still have Iceland results which we base our assessments off of until Berlin.
I watch the games bro. I see how they play the game. Brazil practically want to have more structured play like EU. Some part of EU's downfalls is honestly how structured they play lmao. A lot of their players just don't have much ability do much on their own. That's why teams like G2 and Acend are doing much better now. Because they just have slightly less structure. But the big problem about BR. Is that they aren't structured. At. All.
Also sorry about the Sentinels thing. They are not by a far margin. But they still are the best in the region. Undeniably. But how do you prove that Fnatic are not at their peak. Like how do you prove that. If you keep using your logic to me that I can't prove it without numbers and shit. How would you prove that Fnatic are not at their peak. Well I mean you could say they are losing. But that also doesn't mean shit. Because the teams could just be improving. And that's pretty much happening after all these new rosters were created.
Ok so there are around like 5-7 tier 1 teams in NA if you consider consistency as something important. And there's a similar amount in EU. But the big thing. Is that you can also play with TR and CIS. Which means that you have more. Quite a bit more. EMEA is just the bigger region and saying that it isn't is wrong.
Also Reykjavik happened like 3 months ago bro. Teams change. If you are still going to say outdated results matter. You are wrong. It's like saying right before Masters 1 NA that 100t or TSM are the best teams because 100t won first strike and Masters hasn't happened yet so therefore we base it off that. And TSM won like 50 tournaments in the beta. It's fucking dumb. Because it is dumb. Literally saying that NA is just better is not objective right now. We can't know and we shouldn't base it off of old results.
"But how do you prove that Fnatic are not at their peak. Like how do you prove that. If you keep using your logic to me that I can't prove it without numbers and shit. How would you prove that Fnatic are not at their peak. Well I mean you could say they are losing. But that also doesn't mean shit. Because the teams could just be improving. And that's pretty much happening after all these new rosters were created."
Because they're sloppy asf and are not able to beat teams that they once could dominate? I never said teams werent improving, obviously the teams are improving, but Fnatic was also on a downhill trajectory obviously after Iceland. Its the same as TSM. They peaked in late 2020, and have been downhill ever since.
"Ok so there are around like 5-7 tier 1 teams in NA if you consider consistency as something important. And there's a similar amount in EU. But the big thing. Is that you can also play with TR and CIS. Which means that you have more. Quite a bit more. EMEA is just the bigger region and saying that it isn't is wrong."
yeah its bigger. And? Bigger /=/ better. In valorant, and in life, if u know what i mean 😏😏
TR is a comparatively worse region than EU, as well as CIS. They're not bad regions, but compared to EU, they're worse, and compared to NA, worse as well. And i'm specifically talking about EU in this argument anyways because the only 2 teams from EMEA were EU.
"Also Reykjavik happened like 3 months ago bro. Teams change. If you are still going to say outdated results matter. You are wrong. It's like saying right before Masters 1 NA that 100t or TSM are the best teams because 100t won first strike and Masters hasn't happened yet so therefore we base it off that."
No shit teams change, did I ever say the opposite? The example you used is just so inaccurate and misleading because the situations are not the same. We're talking international esports. We dont have any results to debunk the Iceland results. But before Master 1 obviously we had more recent results which showed Sentinels and other teams being much more consistent. There is no logic in that scenario to put 100T or TSM at #1 because there are new results.
"It's fucking dumb. Because it is dumb. Literally saying that NA is just better is not objective right now. We can't know and we shouldn't base it off of old results."
Dumb because it is dumb. Great argument bro. Not doing this with you again, cba to write paragraphs to argue with your bullshit because you're definitely a stubborn person who will refuse to admit they are wrong, and you'll just keep repeating the same talking points. NA is better until proven otherwise. That doesnt mean its 100% factual, and I didnt say it was, but it is definitely the most logical assessment because it is the only data we have rn. It's like the period after Masters 2. Sen was still considered the best team in NA even before tourneys sttarted back up despite the fact 2 months passed. Best team until proven otherwise. anyways just stop pls im not wasting time with you again on this because you're just extremely stubborn and unintelligent
Then why can't I say that EU looks more structured than NA. They just do bro. Also TR and CIS aren't that bad. They both had 1 team reach the semifinals of the EMEA challenger finals. Gambit and OXG respectively. OXG look even better since then. And SMB just demolished their asses. Also Gambit still looks fine. Not sure about them but who knows. CIS is not that much worse of a region. They do have a few tier 1 teams that are really strong.
Also. Just because. Iceland is the only data we have. It doesn't mean it's good data. It's fucking outdated bro. Even you acknowledge that teams change. And in a 2 or 3 month or whatever. All of the teams have changed in how good they are and how they play the game at least slightly. Outdated results shouldn't be justification for NA being objectively better. If it was right after Iceland I would most definitely agree that Sentinels is the best team in the world. But who knows. EU just has a bigger scene overall. Even Shahzam acknowledged the fact that their were more high level teams in EU than NA. But that fact is also obsolete now because all the teams have changed. Trying to say that
Also your Sentinels observation is also pretty bad. Because it wasn't objective that Sentinels were going to be the best team still. After their performance around a month ago though. They looked really good. So people believed that. But you can't say it's for sure. It's been only a fucking month though so people believe that because Sentinels also had a super dominant run in Challengers 2. They were consistent and they have a ton of fanboys. It might seem obvious now that Sentinels were the best team. But honestly there was no way that we could be for sure. Of course they showed how they played when Challengers started off. But there was no way you could be objectively sure until those results come out. XSET or like C9 could've had a miracle run this time and we'd not even remember the hype we'd have about sentinels.
Even if it's the most logical assessment. It doesn't mean it's a good assessment. It might be right. It might be wrong. But there is no way to even tell if it'll be either. Just wait for Berlin and stfu. Both regions look strong right now and we'll see.
k. dont care, not gonna do this with you as i've said. you havent made any valid points but repeated the same things. stop replying to me pls i already proved ur shitty argument wrong.. Just take the L. Weirdo has no life and if I kept going with full on paragraphs u definitely would as well. get a fucking hobby lmao.
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