About Americas Franchising

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Mjtchell

So let's say 7 NA orgs make it and 3 LATAM orgs make it
What's keeping LATAM orgs from dropping entire rosters and signing all NA players
Is there some protection for the LATAM players if NA somehow create a skill gap between the regions?
The only reason I am concerned about LATAM is because they are outnumbered by the amount of NA orgs that will be apart of franchising.
Edit: I am realizing that there shouldn't really be a skill gap that is able to develop simply off the fact that they will all be competing and learning together and not as separate regions
That being said there most likely wont be any issue with LATAM teams signing NA Rosters, but it's still a risk that exists without regulations in place

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For sure Riot will do something to not let this happen but the strangest part to me is you thinking that NA have enough good players to make 7 or 10 teams better than the best players of LATAM this is fking delusional

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Im pretty sure there were reports of the Orgs chosen would probably be 7 NA and 3 for BR/LATAM
I'm not just assuming, I'm going off of prior information... No need to call me delusional

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That's not the point he was making. He said that he doesn't believe there are 35+ excellent players in NA. I'd even argue that the BR and LATAM teams have great and much more viable options there than signing someone from NA.

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you thinking that NA have enough good players to make 7 or 10 teams

I didn't say that I thought this. Im just referencing prior information that was given
Plus it's not even about players it's about the orgs and what kind of money and fanbase the orgs are going to be bringing in

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kru and especially lev are already better than all na rosters bar 2/3 at best

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Mjtchell

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Its not about the rosters, but the orgs
Roster-wise ofc LATAM is looking insane and possibly better than NA rn (The only reason I say possibly is because Tier 2 NA is probably > than Tier 2 LATAM/BR), but its about the orgs and relationships they have with Riot and a possible future fanbase
LOUD and Furia most likely going to be Brazilian representatives for franchising
They both have a great fanbase and great relationships to Riot via League
Kru and Leviatan most likely will be the LATAM representatives
Same reasons as LOUD and Furia
Other than that when it comes to fanbase and viewership those are the only orgs still in the running that can really keep up with the rest of NA's organizations

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Probably distribution:
6 NA 2 BR 2 LATAM
6 NA 3 BR 1 LATAM
5 NA 3 BR 2 LATAM

Any other distribution will be horrible

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Mjtchell

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I think the first one would be most fair

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divisionbell

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Maybe, honestly, I haven't watched many NA challengers games, can six teams perform well?

Maybe 3 for BR is too much, but I know that no has so much difference on top 2 to top 3 here.

NA has a lot more investment, but I don't know if they would have 6 teams with a good level

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not having more na teams would def be a bad decision financial wise, not to mention not too many teams from br and sa have been competitive internationally.

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Mjtchell

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I think the only reason NA can be so iffy sometimes is because all of the tier 1 pros and coaches are spread across so many different teams
Once compacted the NA teams will be better and I think most will be surprised

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I guess you mean LATAM + BR when you say LATAM. Nothing it's keeping the orgs from doing that, just like nothing it's keeping NA orgs from singing LATAM players, the problem is that they would lose most of their fanbase and it wouldn't really make sense unless it's really well executed

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Probably they will implement regional limits the same why right now you cant have 5 european players compete in the north american circuit. Thats why bodork said earlier that a north american org might look to get a latam spot since every other org asides from kru seems not ideal, because what matters is the player core and not the org

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But all America's it's the same region, my friend. That rule will be implemented for players from EMEA and Asia and vice-versa, not LATAM, BR or NA

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charizard_123

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If that's the case then it doesn't make sense to talk about regional divisions like 6 NA, 2 BR, 2 LATAM. they would just get 8 na orgs + kru and loud and call it a day since they're the richest and more popular, and eventually the whole league might just become 1 or 2 subregions depending on which one becomes the strongest.

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No, cause Br and LATAM people won't support them nearly as much. Ans yes it makes sense to talk about it now cause they are still different regions that deserve representation, but they are all gonna be in the same league so it's not really an import

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from what i've heard i think via sliggy (edit: actually think it was Egg) there's nationality restrictions as well as some sort of other player protections

for example an NA team could pick up one or two east Asian players, but there needs to be a core of NA players for a team in NA franchising

also when teams go to ascension (promoted via t2 open circuit or whatever) there is a roster protection

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But LATAM it'0s not a different region anymore, it's not an import

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Mjtchell

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I do know that Australians have been allowed to play in any region of their choosing
They count almost as a wild card
But what Im talking about is more of a monopolization of teams in the Americas almost blocking out LATAM/BR players

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in any case it is all the way around, lets say latam only has 1 spot, leviatan roster would need a new org. Also NA has more money and pays more money to players, something that a LATAM org can't do.
Lets say NA gets 6 slots and SA 4, there's no way a NA roster outside of franchising is better than one of those 4 SA rosters or even a 5th...

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Mjtchell

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Even so, I think there should be some sort of regulation in place to keep a healthy competitive environment for all regions involved

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i would love to see teams that combine regions, but its your opinion.

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Mjtchell

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I think it would be good as long as its a healthy combination you feel?
Like if 3 Brazilian players and 2 NA players all on a BR org, and some South American players on an NA org
I dont want it to be NA taking South American spots
100Thieves LOL for example. The only North Americans playing under the 100T name are all on the academy team and yet they're in the American circuit

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Mathias8008

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yea i wouldn't like to see a NA team with all SA players or in the rare case SA teams with NA players, but since they are merging regions i would prefer to cheer for teams instead of regions.

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Mjtchell

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I definitely agree, but I don't want any group of people or region fucked over in the process because an org decided to take advantage of 1 region or another thats essentially where all my main concern comes from

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Mathias8008

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yea, i agree with that but i don't think that will happen, if they did that to furia for example brazilians would hate them so much and who would cheer for that team, i think in terms of fanbase it wouldn't be a smart move, and at the end this is entretainment, and for that you need fans. (also no hate to brazil if someone took it like that, i could change the example for any region and it would be the same (: ) but riot does a decent job in this type of topics so i trust this won't be a problem.

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Kainen

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Honestly, it is much easier to happen the "other way around", and by that I mean: the NA orgs buying BR and LATAM rosters because its much cheaper for them than keeping NA players.