100T >> Nuturn >> Liquid

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i mean... we're all seeing it now, other NA teams are catching up just like in EU, bothh regions are extremely competitive, and based on V1's run in Iceland alone i think it can be said that 100T would beat nuturn and liquid. since V1 has a stand-in just like they did in iceland, but this one is arguably better than jammyz because thief is a tier 1 pro with a lot of experience. \

also, of course, this is just hypothetical, but its definitely logical. obviously its not like a 100% confirmed fact, but its most likely 99% that 100T could've done better than V1 at iceland, and probably envy could've done better at iceland too. Its just the fact that v1 had a stand in

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lol

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This is the shittest take I've seen. So because 100T beat V1 they are better than Nuturn and Liquid... ok buddy

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Whats so shit about it? Can you explain? This win was pretty convincing... and this is V1 in a state presumably better than at Iceland. And we all know they choked against Nuturn and should've won, if 100T was there, with their solid and stable roster, they could've won. And I dont think theres any question thatt 100T and probably even Envy are better than Liquid?

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shut the fuck up no brain moron. Ever heard the term styles make fights? 100t just has a better match stylistically against V1 than those two teams did. Braindead take

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Yeah no thats not how it works. Its not about match-ups, if a team beats another team convincingly then they are just better. If 100T loses to envy tomorrow then envy is just the better team, and that would also most likely mean envy is better than v1 atm as well. You saying that they have a 'better match up' is honestly the only braindead take here, as that can be applied to literally any match in the world. Its just 100T is better. Sen vs fnc could just be matchups then, and not sen actually being better, when we all know sen is obviously better.

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Thats not true tho, 100T pr8bably had the worst style against them before stage 3. They played very utility heavy and with post plants, even today everytime V1 put up some lineups i almost shit myself. But now there meta isnt working as good wich lead to 100t being able to win

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If we follow ur logic then G2 is better than every other team on the Masters, because they won against Fnatic easier than Sentinels. This logic is trash.

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Well no, because the two examples are not the same really. Fnatic is just falling off, and have not evolved, while other EU teams have. The idea that just because G2 beat Fnatic means they'd beat sentinels isnt true or likely at all because 1. Sentinels beat them 5-0 2. You have no proof that Sentinels are in the same situation as fnatic (they didnt evolve, catch up to the meta etc)

Meanwhile, Fnatic was at their best during Iceland. V1 was not, they had a stand in. So replacing 100T with V1 is an entirely different scenario, and therefore can be argued.

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"Have not evolved" Are you watching the same matches? Literally, Fnatic tried to implement the three controller meta on Bind and they had a pretty good idea and a great execution of it, the problem was that they didn't expect that the other teams had a huge improvement. "They beat them 5-0" on a BO3 and BO5 match when G2 won against Fnatic 2 times 2-0 on BO3 matches.

Also in your post, you said that this V1 is better than Iceland V1, but the Challengers Finals V1 was stronger than the actual V1 not for the firepower, It was better for the synergy of their players.

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As you can see, say that one team is better than other just for your "hypothecal situations" is dumb.

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I mean its really not, because it makes sense and is likely to be true as I've explained. V1 was unstable and shaky at iceland, and like I said, not at their best bc of a stand-in. 100T or envy would've done better because of a more solid roster and no stand ins.

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Just because they try to use a new comp doesn't mean they've actually evolved. Evolved as in team skill and consistency, which has not evolved at all. Other teams have evolved hugely, like you said, while fnatic hasnt. Thats the main point here. Fnatic's experimental bind comp sucked, they lost twice 13-9. Sen beat fnc 2-0 as well. But that isnt relevant, the point is that fnatic at iceland was their peak performance, but now they're just not as good. V1 at iceland was not peak performace, like i said, because of the stand-in.

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V1 IS NOT better than in iceland wtf. They had the single best read on the meta by miles in NA only got beaten by sentinels becaise they had better fundamentels and also a good read on the meta.
V1 was just insane and with wippie they mightve made masters finals as well. How can you dare to say they are better than at iceland when every key agent they played got a big nerf

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They definitely are. In Iceland they had to use a stand-in in jammyz who wasnt even a tier 1 pro, and they had a couple weeks to prac with him. Now, they have thief who's a tier 1 pro with a lot of exp and they've had nearly a month to prac.. They are definitely better now but other teams just evolved WAY MORE than them.

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Dude you talk about everything in forum and yet have no solid idea about anything. Just stop embarassing yourself

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Lol, instead of actually trying to come up with something logical you just say bullshit like this. Can you actually state a reason why you think what Im saying is dumb?

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Its not that youre totally wrong here but the things you concentrate on and how you deliver your thougts and how you try to support what youre saying is cringe. Wtf are these percentages, what sense does it make to compare different region teams in that way and what relevance it has at this point? 100t beat v1 so 100t are stronger than teams that v1 had beaten. LOGICAL! Even though its probably true and 100t is stronger than nuturn and liquid but that is the worst way to compare teams. Also the fact that you state that what you write is logical is even more cringe. If its logical, you wouldnt need to say it, people would recognise it.

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" Wtf are these percentages, what sense does it make to compare different region teams in that way and what relevance it has at this point?"

It's' hypothetical, and purely for discussion purposes? If you don't like it then you dont have to reply here lmao. It's not that hard, you just seem to like whining just to whine.

"Even though its probably true and 100t is stronger than nuturn and liquid but that is the worst way to compare teams."

So you're contradicitng yourself and admitting that what I'm saying is likely to be true. Obviously it's not a factual way to compare teams, and I even stated this in the original reply. Its just around 99% likely to be true, based on the logic of 100T being a solid and stable team without stand-ins, and beating v1 convincingly.

"Also the fact that you state that what you write is logical is even more cringe. If its logical, you wouldnt need to say it, people would recognise it."
Not at all. The average IQ on this site is 20, and 99% of people including you I'd say are extremely low IQ and ILLOGICAL. So I have to state the logicality of my take

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Ok, self proclaimed genius! I give up

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You have braindamage... V1 haven't played with their actual roster in over 2 months

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Thats.. not the point. The point is that 100T probably could've done better than V1 at iceland. V1 at iceland was shaky and not solid bc of stand-in who wasnt even tier 1, and now they have a stand-in in thief who's t1 and still lost to 100T. Just saying that a team like 100T thats solid probably could've done better.

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Bro 100T have been together since masters 1.... V1 were formed last masters and made it further than 100T have ever made it lol.

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actually, the v1 roster core of 4 players has been together for a REALLY long time, since around january. They got wippie in april. Thats not really a valid argument to anything Im saying, but ok.

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Bro put zellsis in and 100T loses map 1 and this a 3 map series with 100T getting shit on on split

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Thats completely unlikely and false tbh, zellsis is not really much better than thief individually. Thief is insane and a tier 1 pro with a lot of experience.

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Liquid looks like shit rn so I dont disagree with that bit. They need to just get rid of Kryptix and add more firepower to support soulcas and screaM. Imma TL fan since cs days but goddamn do they look clueless in game lol.

the Nuturn matchup would be a toss up depending on map picks, Nuturns haven and icebox are kinda shit, so if those are the winning maps it might be 100T. on the flip side, 100Ts split and bind arent great which are dominant nuturn maps so it could honestly go either way.

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this is gonna get downfragged by Liquid and NUTURN fans but couldnt care less. my opinion and what you say wont change it :)

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nope, you are right. Scream should also be the 2nd entry fragger. He is not just up to be the lead frag.

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Just give me scream sage. They gotta qualify for berlin else I dont see them making champions tbh. Hope they do

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I agree with most of what you say except for the '100t split bind' part. Because if you saw the map pools. 100t didnt ban split today, so im p sure they have gotten much b etter on it to the point htey're confident on it. I still think its more likely 100T wins, but it would be a 2-1.

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I think they didnt ban split because their breeze is kinda shaky and they dont have any info or vods on V1 breeze. Their split is pretty solid overall but I dont think its close to as good as Nuturns split. Put asuna on jett and nitr0 on viper and then maybe their split will get better.

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I mean.. we dont know what their split even is lmao. They could've improved a lot on it

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How do you explain when a team wins a tournament trough the lower bracket if a team is better than another for losing once???

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These 100T fans are braindead... max age is 11.... can't believe I'm agreeing with a G2 fan

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I mean... this win was pretty convincing... so unless we see V1 absolutely stomp everyone else and do a coveted LB run then I dont think you can really make that argument. 100T was just the better team today, and this win was convincing.

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i mean current 100t wouldve done better at iceland,,, but iceland was 2 months ago, and 2 months ago 100t werent as good imo

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I think that they could've easily become as strong as they are now by the time they got to iceland, bc teams at iceland had like 2 weeks to prepare and shit, so yeah.

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100t played 1 game calm down lol

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horrible bait

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lol if asuna isnt dropping a 50 bomb no chance

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Even I feel like this too, since before Reykjavik I think 100T is very2 strong team.
But when you say something like this without any real result since they never meet them directly or participate in same tournament as them, then this is just a child imagination.

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I mean obviously, its hypothetical, but the point is that the hypothesis makes sense, and is even likely, as I've explained

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I agree with you but as good as your theory is, they need to prove it first.
Just like shahz talk about c9b is the most overrated team because they never won anything but people keep telling they're something so big. And like when he talk about TSM too. The point is, They need to prove it first.

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Yeah exactly. It's just theory, and it's 99% likely, but I have no proof to say that its a confirmed fact, it's just a theory but its also likely to be true. They of course have to prove it, and hopefully at berlin.

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honestly if 100t were to face them at berlin, i believe that 100t could win it. however this wouldn't completely prove your theory. both nuturn and liquid have gotten weaker since iceland. for nuturn, 10x is a good player, but lakia was one of nuturn's better playmakers, and his absence might end up hurting nuturn. in liquid's case, other teams have simply caught up to them and the meta has changed. that being said, if 100t were to face both teams in the future, i don't think either of nuturn or liquid would be at the same level that they were at when they faced v1.

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I agree with u on the Liquid part, they dont seem to be as good as they were in Iceland period/EMEA playoffs

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Cosmetic and hypothetical brain

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Simple question for your imagination. BBG beats sentinels, sentinels beat 100T, 100T beats BBG, depending you don't know about any previous encounter what would be your take

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If you dont know any previous encounter, it would mean you dont have sufficient data to conclude that the loss to BBG was anything but a fluke from BBG to sentinels. You have to wait and see if BBG can get consistent results against other tier 1 teams, if they dont, then obviously it was a fluke. From ur example alone, 100T beating BBG wouldnt mean 100T >> sentinels necessarily. you need more data.