Can someone concretely explain why exceptional players will simply not exist in Valorant?
I've yet to see a solid argument. What exactly makes CS gunplay THAT much more skilled than Valorant? little differences don't cut it.
I'll still die on the hill that on a team-level, Valorant provides more than enough to allow better teams to stay dominant - just that such a team hasn't shown up yet due to the freshness of the esport.
CSGO guns have lower accuracy when use on the run. When you’re standing still or crouching, the aim accuracy in CSGO is better.
AWP retains much of its accuracy while on the move and one can be very aggressive with how one uses it ( Operator it's not very mobile and the shots get very inaccurate if you’re shooting while on the move. To be accurate with the Operator, you need to stand still every time you take a shot.). The same goes for CS: GO's Scout as well, when compared to the Valorant counterpart, Marshal.
The spray patterns between the CS: GO and Valorant guns are drastically different. Valorant has basically a bad spray pattern, The Spray pattern of the automatic guns in Valorant makes a kind of a tree pattern. It first goes up, then to the left and then to the right. RNG after 4 bullets.
Valorant has slow movement.
People keep saying CSGO has no tactical, that Valorant it's much more complex because of the utility and skills doesn't know anything about CSGO lol.
sheahhhh [#2]Cs is a dead dogshit game that u fall asleep when u play
Cs fan boys are on high copium if they think in 5 years this game doesn't have higher overall team and mechanical ceiling. Look at how much the game will Change in a short time . Cs stays the same lol.
Ullyr [#10]Cs fan boys are on high copium if they think in 5 years this game doesn't have higher overall team and mechanical ceiling. Look at how much the game will Change in a short time . Cs stays the same lol.
cs mechanical and tactical ceiling has changed drastically in the last 5 years tf are you talking about
Ultimate6989 [#3]cs has a set spray pattern that u can learn
vlr is random, thus luck is a bigger part of it, and just skill cant bring u all the way
Exactly.
asdfgh [#12]cs mechanical and tactical ceiling has changed drastically in the last 5 years tf are you talking about
the lack of updates these last few years doesnt prove your point
tr9y [#15]the lack of updates these last few years doesnt prove your point
literally has nothing to do with updates idk what's your point either
Spaying is totally random so someone could be straight whiffing then hit a random headshot, right click, the judge is bullshit(on certain maps) you can hold an entire area of the map with an auto shotty that just 1 hits with little counterplay, hitboxes are smaller in cs as someone said before, you move slow af in val so its easier to hit. Also part of it is map design. Too many maps is nothing but short range which imo makes it easier to aim
asdfgh [#16]literally has nothing to do with updates idk what's your point either
Lol valve never updates or change their game the game been stale for so long. That's why u see the same top players dominatinating and the scene recycling players.
Ullyr [#18]Lol valve never updates or change their game the game been stale for so long. That's why u see the same top players dominatinating and the scene recycling players.
honestly true
tr9y [#15]the lack of updates these last few years doesnt prove your point
Tell me you have never watched pro cs through the years without telling me that.
Ullyr [#18]Lol valve never updates or change their game the game been stale for so long. That's why u see the same top players dominatinating and the scene recycling players.
that's not what we see in csgo at all. old players get replaced by younger players every year. some older players do manage to be able to stay in tier 1 on experience, but most cannot.
aside from what everyone really says about spraying i dont think that has anything to do with the cap, its the relevant RNG factors; valorant not only has higher moving accuracy across all weapons, the maps are closer range. counterstrike u have to crabwalk to be moving and accurate whatsoever and technically it works just worse in this game but theres little reason to be moving like that when u can full sprint with a rifle and kill ppl in CQB.
The real skill of gunplay relies heavily on tap-burst-spray decision making, whereas cs u can bail urself out with spray control no matter what(assuming ur alive to actually do the spray). The issue is u can just choose option D for dumbass and just run. The weapons will eventually be tuned as this gets changed(hopefully, tweeted today current specter is like prenerf csgo ump) but in the current state the hypothetical cap is lower than cs. The issue we've seen is that its assumed(might even be said i cant remember) that this is to keep more of the playerbase "happy" and it isnt tuned for the peak of the game. RNG kills will always exist and they exist in CS as well but it shouldnt be the undeniable better choice to literally run and gun with a rifle around a corner to kill someone; that should not be reliable, even for someone half hp. This is all just my opinion but i have played both at a relevant enough of a high level, not commenting on teamplay or that aspect aside from the fact i have opinions on it.
Mohagany [#17]Spaying is totally random so someone could be straight whiffing then hit a random headshot, right click, the judge is bullshit(on certain maps) you can hold an entire area of the map with an auto shotty that just 1 hits with little counterplay, hitboxes are smaller in cs as someone said before, you move slow af in val so its easier to hit. Also part of it is map design. Too many maps is nothing but short range which imo makes it easier to aim
Cracked the case
brado [#24]anyone in this thread could kill yay or scream eventually 1v1. no1 in this thread would kill Niko or s1mple in a 1v1unless they let u.
thats the diff
you would normally be correct
no_noise_979 [#26]tell me youve never played cs without telling me
www.vlr.gg
just in case you forgot
queueK [#28]www.vlr.gg
just in case you forgot
its ok if uve never played cs bro
just dont act like you know what the mechanics are like, its hard to explain to someone who never played it
Meursault [#25]Cracked the case
Just give us consistent spray patterns and remove right click and jumping judge and im totally fine with the gunplay. I just hate dying to bullshit plays half of the game
Ullyr [#18]Lol valve never updates or change their game the game been stale for so long. That's why u see the same top players dominatinating and the scene recycling players.
the reason csgo doesnt change and its remained popular and even grown all these years is just because of that, it doesnt need to change.
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