hypothetically say fnc wins vs zeta, and then face nip with derke and beat them easily. does BR still deserve 2 slots and if so doesnt kr as well? since then they are technically both '1 team regions'
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PrTsty [#2]BR has way more teams and players competiting than KR
simliair to CIS KR doesnt have a lot of teams
Except way more teams were competitive vs DRX
WGS almost beat them and lost in OT
Damwon had closer maps than nip
ONS beat them first time they met
brazil doesnt have 2 slots, they and latam both have 1 spot each, that lcq thing for the final spot between the 2 regions is kind of weird but not entirely bad
not sure if kr deserves a second spot since that region is mainly dominated by drx, closest team from the matches ive watched were onslayers, who beat them in the group stages but got destroyed by drx in the playoffs twice
andrewdamf [#5]people actually think that any other team in kr can be at same level as drx is hilarous, the one that had potential was ons2 and they just got destroyed
u can say the same about br tho...no team is near loud
ur country not that really have competitive game tbh, just look at the score history of VS, its like KR = VS nothing else :),
i would said if u want 2 slot , i think jp & kr sould be mix to fight that 2 slots, bcs just see SEA, how much country need to compete to get 2 slots
just be fair buddy :) win 1 game not making u instaly the best region/country, win this entire tournament 1st
egg80085 [#8]brazil doesnt have 2 slots, they and latam both have 1 spot each, that lcq thing for the final spot between the 2 regions is kind of weird but not entirely bad
not sure if kr deserves a second spot since that region is mainly dominated by drx, closest team from the matches ive watched were onslayers, who beat them in the group stages but got destroyed by drx in the playoffs twice
u can say teh same about loud tho. completely dominant in the region. and id say the lcq thing is only cuz of krus performance in champs, and as we can see as of right now, BR is prob much better so i think it will return to 2 br slots next masters
jimjam789 [#9]u can say the same about br tho...no team is near loud
not now, vk dropped jhow and v1xen. if they get new players they could compete against some teams even tho they will never surpass loud
KoreanOverlord [#6]Except way more teams were competitive vs DRX
WGS almost beat them and lost in OT
Damwon had closer maps than nip
ONS beat them first time they met
This argument of ''Oh this X team had much closer result than Y team'' is pretty dumb teams have diff mindsets and playstyles with diff type of counters for each other you cant compare 1 result to an entirely diff region's result.
jimjam789 [#12]u can say teh same about loud tho. completely dominant in the region. and id say the lcq thing is only cuz of krus performance in champs, and as we can see as of right now, BR is prob much better so i think it will return to 2 br slots next masters
yeah the whole thing is kind of weird
reylarc [#11]ur country not that really have competitive game tbh, just look at the score history of VS, its like KR = VS nothing else :),
i would said if u want 2 slot , i think jp & kr sould be mix to fight that 2 slots, bcs just see SEA, how much country need to compete to get 2 slots
just be fair buddy :) win 1 game not making u instaly the best region/country, win this entire tournament 1st
i mean nuturn came 3rd in iceland. kr def has the talent to at least make a dink in the international scene
Demise [#14]This argument of ''Oh this X team had much closer result than Y team'' is pretty dumb teams have diff mindsets and playstyles with diff type of counters for each other you cant compare 1 result to an entirely diff region's result.
Thank you. You the MVP
ForumPeasant [#15]IMO this is how masters 2 slot allocation could go assuming 16 teams.
EMEA: 4
NA: 3
SEA: 2
BR: 1
LATAM: 1
KR: 1
JP: 1
SA LCQ: 1
KR/JP LCQ: 1
One last spot is between sea and br (whoever performs better).
Dis looks about right ngl
ForumPeasant [#15]IMO this is how masters 2 slot allocation could go assuming 16 teams.
EMEA: 4
NA: 3
SEA: 2
BR: 1
LATAM: 1
KR: 1
JP: 1
SA LCQ: 1
KR/JP LCQ: 1
One last spot is between sea and br (whoever performs better).
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KoreanOverlord [#22]Also its pointless to make these threads because theres not enough koreans in these forums so itll just be a onesided debate
We know if we send 2 teams to masters we would show similar if not better results then brazil but people never watched a single vod of KR will say its a 1 team region
factos
ForumPeasant [#15]IMO this is how masters 2 slot allocation could go assuming 16 teams.
EMEA: 4
NA: 3
SEA: 2
BR: 1
LATAM: 1
KR: 1
JP: 1
SA LCQ: 1
KR/JP LCQ: 1
One last spot is between sea and br (whoever performs better).
why na has 3 slots?
andrewdamf [#13]not now, vk dropped jhow and v1xen. if they get new players they could compete against some teams even tho they will never surpass loud
u can say that about kr again lol...damwon just got infinitely better
Slashyiguess [#27]why na has 3 slots?
Tournament hasn’t ended, maybe The Guard wins it all you know.
Demise [#14]This argument of ''Oh this X team had much closer result than Y team'' is pretty dumb teams have diff mindsets and playstyles with diff type of counters for each other you cant compare 1 result to an entirely diff region's result.
So how is korea a one team region if theres no results to base upon?
Nice red herring fallacy
ForumPeasant [#29]Tournament hasn’t ended, maybe The Guard wins it all you know.
Tournament hasn’t ended, maybe Paper Rex wins it all you know.
ForumPeasant [#15]IMO this is how masters 2 slot allocation could go assuming 16 teams.
EMEA: 4
NA: 3
SEA: 2
BR: 1
LATAM: 1
KR: 1
JP: 1
SA LCQ: 1
KR/JP LCQ: 1
One last spot is between sea and br (whoever performs better).
this is so bad because the tournament will going to be EMEA EMEA and EMEA winner agian and again, they got 4 slot and how big their opportunity to win it?,
SEA sould be +1 because there is too many country compete in this region to be fair EMEA and SEA is the most region that have so much country to compete they got 3 each is fair
if korean want to get more slot i think better JP and KR sould be mix to compete that 2 slots, because all we know japan not that good as a representitive of their region
Slashyiguess [#31]Tournament hasn’t ended, maybe Paper Rex wins it all you know.
Yea this list is just tentative. That’s why I put the last open slot for the region that performs the best.
jimjam789 [#18]i mean nuturn came 3rd in iceland. kr def has the talent to at least make a dink in the international scene
buddy u must take some conclusion from 2022, kr qualifier. The past tournament and history its just became history buddy lol
KoreanOverlord [#30]So how is korea a one team region if theres no results to base upon?
Nice red herring fallacy
Did i mention that in my argument? did i ever call KR a one team region lmao? if anything i have supported KR lol and results that other teams got against DRX are praise worthy and shows the region has competition but saying that KR isnt dominated by 1 team isnt wrong either.
KoreanOverlord [#6]Except way more teams were competitive vs DRX
WGS almost beat them and lost in OT
Damwon had closer maps than nip
ONS beat them first time they met
Im talking about teams that are actualy proteams and live off of it
PrTsty [#36]Im talking about teams that are actualy proteams and live off of it
damwon wgs all make living off valorant
KoreanOverlord [#22]Also its pointless to make these threads because theres not enough koreans in these forums so itll just be a onesided debate
We know if we send 2 teams to masters we would show similar if not better results then brazil but people never watched a single vod of KR will say its a 1 team region
KR: 2 teams to playoffs (DRX and "NUTURN")
BR: 2 teams to playoffs (LOUD and "VKS")
other teams from BR: VK, HL, SHK and FUR
other teams from KR: F4Q
did they pass out of groups? no
F4Q played well against G2 and Sentinels
VK played well against Envy and Acend, won against JPN (not counting that)
HL didn't played well lmao, what a fluke run to qualify honestly
SHK played "ok" against NUTURN and KRU
FUR played well against KRU and Sentinels
the thing is, KR isn't better than SEA, so they can't send more teams to Masters or Champions bcs they can't win against them, but we can't say that they're better than BR because the only two times they faced each other was seed 2 team from BR against seed 1 from KR, which means a lot when comparing the disparity between seed 1 and 2 in Brazil on both ocasions. LOUD may be better than DRX or DRX better than LOUD, we don't know. Meanwhile both of them lose to SEA teams, so SEA picked up the spot (deserved at least).
Never_Wrong [#7]If both are 1 team regions why adding up instead of just... giving 1 slot?? Also the comparison is flawed
Br > kr
how on earth did u come up with the conclusion that br>kr if u exclude loud and drx from this conversation
jimjam789 [#40]how on earth did u come up with the conclusion that br>kr if u exclude loud and drx from this conversation
because br has more players and more teams?
jimjam789 [#40]how on earth did u come up with the conclusion that br>kr if u exclude loud and drx from this conversation
"bigger"
jimjam789 [#40]how on earth did u come up with the conclusion that br>kr if u exclude loud and drx from this conversation
F4Q played better than Keyd Stars or FURIA? Vikings? I don't think so. I think they need a 2nd slot to gain more experienced players, but for now only NUTURN played well.
sj67atg6 [#41]because br has more players and more teams?
what has that got to do with anything. this about 2 slots, the top 2 teams in the region, not the region as a whole
Nakao [#44]F4Q played better than Keyd Stars or FURIA? Vikings? I don't think so. I think they need a 2nd slot to gain more experienced players, but for now only NUTURN played well.
they def played similar in terms of results lol (taking maps off major region teams). obv br would beat jp teams and so would kr if they had the same group at the br teams did so its not really an argument
jimjam789 [#28]u can say that about kr again lol...damwon just got infinitely better
no they didnt lmao
KoreanOverlord [#3]I want the same LCQ slot latam and br have to compete for
Make it kr/jp slot
We have it for champions but for masters too
True. It's deserved. I mean, what's wrong with those 12 teams tournaments? Make it 16 and 24 goddamit.
Nakao [#44]F4Q played better than Keyd Stars or FURIA? Vikings? I don't think so. I think they need a 2nd slot to gain more experienced players, but for now only NUTURN played well.
I mean tbf we haven’t gotten to see many KR teams internationally because we have so few slots
Also the only reason why F4Q attended Berlin was because we didn’t have double elimination like every other region, TNL would’ve done better
Jazyy [#51]My understanding is that slots are allotted based more on viewership than team quality
historically its performance is it not. sea more slots after champions run. kr 2 slots in masters 3 after nuturn run. na losing a slot after bad performance at champs, same with kr.
KoreanOverlord [#30]So how is korea a one team region if theres no results to base upon?
Nice red herring fallacy
nice Bias to ur country
Easy_for_MWZERA [#49]True. It's deserved. I mean, what's wrong with those 12 teams tournaments? Make it 16 and 24 goddamit.
for champion Is okay but for master ??? dnt need tho
Sprouts [#52]I mean tbf we haven’t gotten to see many KR teams internationally because we have so few slots
Also the only reason why F4Q attended Berlin was because we didn’t have double elimination like every other region, TNL would’ve done better
that's my point, KR deserve one more slot to let the teams and players reveal themselves to international stage, but with one slot being disputed between DRX and SEA/JPN super teams will not help the region.
Lmao this is gotta be a joke
NA got 2 because is 1 continent
Emea got 3 because it has a lot of country
Apac well u guess it same
why do you think 1 country with less population and scene deserve 2 slot for master, and therefore not make it fair for other team that compete in 3 region above need so much filter to even begin qualify
?????
tonyhart7 [#57]Lmao this is gotta be a joke
NA got 2 because is 1 continent
Emea got 3 because it has a lot of country
Apac well u guess it samewhy do you think 1 country with less population and scene deserve 2 slot for master, and therefore not make it fair for other team that compete in 3 region above need so much filter to even begin qualify
?????
u slow? population size has nothing to do with it lmao, slot distribution changes EVERY single event, and they correlate to the performance of the region of the previous event. sea more slots after champions run. kr 2 slots in masters 3 after nuturn run. na losing a slot after bad performance at champs, same with kr. br/latam lcq instead of 2 br slots after kru champions run. what are they gonna do if they introduce china to vct lmao, 5 slots cuz of their population? LMAO
jimjam789 [#53]historically its performance is it not. sea more slots after champions run. kr 2 slots in masters 3 after nuturn run. na losing a slot after bad performance at champs, same with kr.
idk I just could have sworn I remembered someone important saying they were awarded based on regional viewership
KoreanOverlord [#30]So how is korea a one team region if theres no results to base upon?
Nice red herring fallacy
ratio
Jazyy [#59]idk I just could have sworn I remembered someone important saying they were awarded based on regional viewership
i mean if u look at jp they arent really a good region but have a slot due to insane viewership. but that viewership is only stopping riot from getting rid of the slot and doesnt determine if jp gets more slots or not
jimjam789 [#58]u slow? population size has nothing to do with it lmao, slot distribution changes EVERY single event, and they correlate to the performance of the region of the previous event. sea more slots after champions run. kr 2 slots in masters 3 after nuturn run. na losing a slot after bad performance at champs, same with kr. br/latam lcq instead of 2 br slots after kru champions run. what are they gonna do if they introduce china to vct lmao, 5 slots cuz of their population? LMAO
no SEA always have 2 slot from the start
and NO in master 3 all region got more slot, its like saying JP dnt need slot because their bad performance
++ NUTURN is a fluke
and population always account into factor, how so EMEA,NA,SEA has 500++ million more population and that means more team and More talent and More Competition
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