SEN not changing rosters any time soon

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Sentinels released new merch today, but here's the thing, all 5 players have branded merch in the collection which means it's super unlikely that they'll be changing their roster anytime soon. What a world when orgs put merch sales before trophies

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Never change a running system. Twitch is running pretty decent

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Sen is still Tier 1 with current roster through…

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Hard to say considering they are putting in less work than majority of tier 1 teams.

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They miss a Masters event once and it’s time to blow up a roster where they made it to every other roster? Idk man, seems extreme

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They made Masters 3 because they won Masters 2 NA VCT. For champions they only made it because of circuit points. Masters 2 was a Quarterfinals exit and Champs was group stage. Point is Sentinels have been declining overtime and there has been no evidence of improvement.

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They have probably been on the decline. But what talent is available for them that would clearly boost their results rn? I don’t see much out there.

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Valorant is a new game, the move right now is to scout out rising talent and sign them. But Sens biggest issue is no coach and not enough strats besides hoping TenZ pops off.

But if we had to make a roster change
-zombs +JcStani

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jcstani is horrible

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dino_brains

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jcstani was playing much better on Pioneers and 100T this year than zombs has been on sens

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hes 0 impact, guy gets eco kills and plays for stats 💀

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tinted

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average sen fan brain

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they got a coach, dont know if they're sticking around i just know they worked together for the 2 days before the V1 rematch

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bullshit sen won the Vct for both master 2 and master 3

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Is this bait or are you just that dumb

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are you retarded ?
https://liquipedia.net/valorant/TenZ

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So you think Sentinels won Masters 3?

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lol a retard Tsm fans
you :They made Masters 3 because they won Masters 2. For champions they only made it because of circuit points

this is a fuking lie becaUSE SEN WON BOTH THE CHALLENGER FOR BOTH MASTER 2+3
sen only got a free pass for champ because they won iceland aka master 2 you dumb retard

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That doesn't even change the point. You said they won masters 3 so idk why your calling me retarded.

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no he meants they won challengers na for berlin

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masters 2, yes. masters 3 on the other hand....... Might wanna give that one to Gambit

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i never said the won master 3
Vct=valorant challenger tour

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vct = valorant champions tour lmao

just call it challengers

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vct is much shorter then challenger

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VCT is all of the year tournaments that lead up to champions bro...

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WinterZ

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vct=valorant champions tour

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Dude sentinels literally winning NA Stage 1, NA Stage 2, and NA Stage 3 2021

what do you mean by "They made Masters 3 because they won Masters 2 NA VCT", winning Master 2 doesnt give free seat for Master 3, thats what make Sentinels member tilting and got stomped by BBG on NA stage 3 challenger 1, they need to play from the bottom qualifiers for NA stage 3 playoff, while they are valorant best team at that time

And whats the meaning "ONLY made Champion because of circuit points", dude thats CIRCUIT POINT + LCQ the only way to VCT Champions, there is no open qualifier for VCT Champion, thats mean sentinels best NA team at that time

Dude are you on drug or what?

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I meant Challengers thats why I added the NA bit is that not clear enough?

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they won masters 2 lmfao, masters 3 is where they went out in quarters

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They did not get a free pass for masters 3
They defeated every other team and won in NA

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and they only made champs because of masters 2 placement lmao

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they qualified to masters 3 by winning Stage 3 Challengers Playoffs, not by winning Masters 2. Also they're still tier 1 depending on where you draw that line.

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This scene is so momentum based its crazy, you can get left behind so fast. Look at TSM, 100T, ACEND

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Too be fair to 100T I think loosing Nitro was probably a bigger hit than people realize. His CS teammates always talked about how big of a role he played off the server and he is one of the best IGLs NA esports have ever seen, rebuilding a team around him and Asuna would have looked much different than the current mess we see over at 100T

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look at Acend

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well they're not tier 2

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just because they don't make masters doesn't mean they aren't a teir 1 team. putting in less server time and still competing at a t1 scale is impressive imo

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I would say they're Tier 1 in NA but Tier 2 internationally. Watching Challengers in NA it really felt like teams such as the Guard, C9, Optic, and V1 were all evolving the game while Sens were still playing like it was mid 2021. I didn't catch much of the other regions but I feel like on an international stage Sens would have been devoured. And I say all of this as a fan of the team

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SEN will never be top NA again if they stick with these five i’m sorry it’s the cold truth

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I think it's possible with a good coach they maybe could, but its super unlikely. The biggest problems they have right now is a severe lack of actual strats, they rely solely on individual performances and currently no one on the team is nearly consistent enough. I think that a roster change could breathe new live into the team and remind the players that if they can't perform there's no guarantee they have a job. But based on some things they've said on stream it seems like all 5 of them really like playing together, which is also super important to building a good team. So really I'm not sure what the best move for them is in the long run, but priority one right now needs to be getting an experienced coach

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Actually amazing how many diehard Sentinels fans became Diehard Guard fans as soon as Sentinels got kicked lmao.

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some people project themselves onto the teams they support, so if their team is doing poorly they take it personally

you notice it alot with regular sports fans

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UnEstoppable

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On God. I’m an Atlanta fan for decades and we’ve been bad at everything until recently lmao

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thanks for matt ryan hee hee hee haw (as a colts fan)

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Lmao

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I haven't seen it. Have people transitioned? Sure. Were they diehard Sentinels fans? Obviously not.

I hoped the best for the Sentinels/NA teams internationally, but I REALLY like The Guard. They remind me of C9 back when they became big in League of Legends out of nowhere and started dominating the scene.

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I love that the Guard have fans, they deserve it. But I’m not sure how you can have seen this forum before Guard and after and not noticed a huge shift in support.

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240hz_Wood

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There's a shift in support from NA fans, but not "diehard Sentinels fans". The term "diehard" insinuates that they will stick with Sentinels no matter what. That's what I'm getting at.

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I kind of agree with you. I think part of being a true die hard fan is that you stick with the team through thick and thin, lots of Sens fans jumped off the wagon the moment the team started to slip. There's a lot to love with the Guard, but I feel like a lot of the hate towards Sens is unjustified. I know it's ironic considering I made this post, but I'm kind of happy that Sens are committed their roster in a way that most Valorant Orgs aren't, even if it's holding the team back.

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they arent go anywhere unless they get a real coach team

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In my opinion, SEN final showing is good things to come, if they practice/scrim more, hopefully* find a coach to alleviate stress on Shaz and the team, they have a pretty good chance at LCQ’s and etc.

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They haven't practiced more. They've literally only been streaming since the tourney ended even though other NA teams have already began practice weeks ago.

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We don't know when they scrim, how are you so sure? Although you have a point with the streaming

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Their stream times literally overlap throughout the day lmao

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wdym?? they are streamers right? they can be benched and stream as usual...that might be the reason all branded the merch

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If you're trying to sell zombs nation iPhone cases I don't think you're going to put zombs on the bench, but I guess it's possible I'm wrong

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i swear zombs barely plays the game too

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money is a crazy thing

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100T offered 900k for Zombs roster and SEN countered with 1.3

Thats why

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source please?

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nyto

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It is natural for a company to pursue profits to run its business. Regardless of what the fans think.

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i heckin love zombs

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i dont think they need a change tho. yes zombs is shit but changing him won't fix their main problem. all they need is a proper coach and full commitment on the tournament from their roster.