If this was about who plays the game best it would be:
6 EMEA 4 NA 1 BR 1KR 1APAC 1LATAM 1 SEA + 1 WHAT EVER THEY WANT
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lorenzopajaroFC [#2]It’s no fun when only two regions get all the teams, but you wouldn’t understand this without getting your own head out yo ass would ya
Yeah maybe for the beging 6 and 4 is too much, but what if they made a combined last chance quali with all regions, it would be fair?
zacouigejbibio [#3]Yeah maybe for the beging 6 and 4 is too much, but what if they made a combined last chance quali with all regions, it would be fair?
To many international tournaments kinda take away the meaning of it, 4 EMEA and 3 NA + free slot for masters winner would be fine, but the only way to not make everyone mad is to add more slots
zacouigejbibio [#7]Im sure that br/latam deserve 4 xD and asia 5(the weakest after BR)
APAC is arguably stronger then NA lol, each tournament APAC gets stronger
1 year ago u say X10 would beat NV at champions you would laugh
lorenzopajaroFC [#2]It’s no fun when only two regions get all the teams, but you wouldn’t understand this without getting your own head out yo ass would ya
no bro, it would be way more fun trust
kristof [#11]no bro, it would be way more fun trust
Watch the qualifiers then bozo, if all you want to watch is EMEA
delusional_sentinels_fan1 [#13]6 EMEA 4 NA wouldn't be fun, should be like champions where EMEA had 4 and NA 3 ( I know EMEA got an extra from winning Berlin but it should been 4 EMEA 3 NA anyways)
This. At least this.
lorenzopajaroFC [#12]Watch the qualifiers then bozo, if all you want to watch is EMEA
Totally agree. I am even OK with all slots rn, if EMEA playoff will be on LAN.
bdzez [#16]Why are you giving EMEA 6 slots? after top 3 no teams would make top 10 NA. Really need to see G2 shit the bed in internationals again?
top 10 in NA would be like top 30 in EU
lorenzopajaroFC [#9]To many international tournaments kinda take away the meaning of it, 4 EMEA and 3 NA + free slot for masters winner would be fine, but the only way to not make everyone mad is to add more slots
too many? m8 there is literally 1 international lan every 3 months, it takes no meaning away, there is just too few atm
bdzez [#19]no it wouldnt shut up
yes it would bro
u guys have no one in the top 10 besides sentinels, envy and c9.only tier 2 teams like nrg,geng and akrew
kristof [#23]yes it would bro
u guys have no one in the top 10 besides sentinels, envy and c9.only tier 2 teams like nrg,geng and akrew
no shut up idiot you dont know what youre talking about
bdzez [#25]no shut up idiot you dont know what youre talking about
fnatic isnt in the top 3 and they are better than c9, g2 isnt in the top 3 either and they are better than sentinels
Scrickasaurus [#20]So basically, you want this to look like a CS major
No thanks, those tournaments are sleepers for any non-EU/CIS fan
I will correct you if you dont mind. Those tournaments are sleepers for dogs who dont to want to watch the highest level of gameplay and would rather watch their shitty regional team get stomped by european teams
Sprouts [#21]Yep, and make Worlds all Korean and Chinese teams while they’re at it, cause that would definitely be more fun to watch
for the ones who care about watching the best teams play it would be more fun 100%
kristof [#27]fnatic isnt in the top 3 and they are better than c9, g2 isnt in the top 3 either and they are better than sentinels
not true, Rise beats Fnatic in a best of whatever you want
bdzez [#26]no youre wrong
im not, there is like 10 or so teams apart from the 4 at champs that could qualify to worlds from NA qualifier
zacouigejbibio [#7]Im sure that br/latam deserve 4 xD and asia 5(the weakest after BR)
just remember APAC had 2 teams in the Champions playoffs and NA had 1 from sending 3 teams.
idkbro [#32]im not, there is like 10 or so teams apart from the 4 at champs that could qualify to worlds from NA qualifier
nope, not accurate. theres no way you actually believe this
Scrickasaurus [#20]So basically, you want this to look like a CS major
No thanks, those tournaments are sleepers for any non-EU/CIS fan
cs events are leaderboard based if im not mistaken. so NA could easly send just as many teams as EU to a major if they were better
bdzez [#36]neither can fnatic
https://www.vlr.gg/51283/fnatic-vs-cloud9-blue-valorant-champions-opening-d ripbozo
idkbro [#28]I will correct you if you dont mind. Those tournaments are sleepers for dogs who dont to want to watch the highest level of gameplay and would rather watch their shitty regional team get stomped by european teams
NA Brain can't keep up with EU high level gameplay
bdzez [#34]nope, not accurate. theres no way you actually believe this
Bro, look at your top5-10 from NA, fucking dogshit teams, i will name some eu teams that would destroy them(apart from the for at champs): guild, fpx, navi, g2, giants, big, excel, tenstar, ldn utd, alliance, vitality, any of the top3 turkish teams, rebels, wave, team queso, giants, koi. Any of those teams are better than fucking nrg, akrew, tsm, gen g, luminosity and those kinda wacky teams, just look at 100t who had to pick EU tier 2 igl who has been dreadful all year
idkbro [#39]Bro, look at your top5-10 from NA, fucking dogshit teams, i will name some eu teams that would destroy them(apart from the for at champs): guild, fpx, navi, g2, giants, big, excel, tenstar, ldn utd, alliance, vitality, any of the top3 turkish teams, rebels, wave, team queso, giants, koi. Any of those teams are better than fucking nrg, akrew, tsm, gen g, luminosity and those kinda wacky teams, just look at 100t who had to pick EU tier 2 igl who has been dreadful all year
no offense to ec1s, I believe he has potential but he indeed has been shit this year
kristof [#35]cs events are leaderboard based if im not mistaken. so NA could easly send just as many teams as EU to a major if they were better
depends on the organizer but invites are based on leaderboards a fair amount of times, specially when NA scene was still alive, they just didnt get invites cuz they were dogshit and if they did they would get shit on
idkbro [#40]no offense to ec1s, I believe he has potential but he indeed has been shit this year
well this is an L take and clearly biased. you rambled off a bunch of teams but the only good one you mentioned was 100T
I dont think I can debate this with you if you wont take it seriously.
G2? really? Even Mixwell couldnt save them
bdzez [#43]well this is an L take and clearly biased. you rambled off a bunch of teams but the only good one you mentioned was 100T
I dont think I can debate this with you if you wont take it seriously.
G2? really? Even Mixwell couldnt save them
Ok you are clearly baiting /closed
idkbro [#28]I will correct you if you dont mind. Those tournaments are sleepers for dogs who dont to want to watch the highest level of gameplay and would rather watch their shitty regional team get stomped by european teams
I will correct you on your attempted correction if you don't mind, but first I'll remind you that starting off condescending, and then going immediately into name calling, is the worst way possible to get someone to agree with you.
Your desire to see what you believe to be the "highest level of gameplay" is less important as Riot's need to ensure their esport thrives. That will never change, and your opinion as a single EU viewer is no more important than the desires of an SEA, APAC, KR, etc. viewer. If you leave because of "bad tournament slot distribution", there'll be a fan from another region to take your place because their region was actually meaningfully represented and they were actually excited about it, instead of getting pissed because your region didn't get half of the tournament slots. Remember, it's a privilege to be in a region where you can decide which team to be a fan of, instead of being saddled with one decent team for your whole region (see NA CS during 2021).
Also remember that the EU fanbase does not dominate VAL like it does in CS, so Riot has far less of a reason to cater specifically to the EU fanbase. Not only that, the EU fanbase has very little room for revenue growth since CS dominates the region's tac FPS viewership, so it's advantageous for Riot to invest in other regions more.
If I rephrase your thoughts in a less malicious fashion, and I recalibrate it to actually represent the competitive level of the smaller regions, this is what we get:
"I would rather watch a tournament with 12 of the 25 best teams in the world, instead of the actual top 12 teams in the world, if it means that each region gets to send multiple teams"
International tournaments are what we're talking about after all, yes?
EU already gets the vast plurality of slots, I'm amazed you're complaining when the esport could literally die in a year or two in some of these smaller regions/regions that don't play as much tac FPS as EU.
no_noise_979 [#38]NA Brain can't keep up with EU high level gameplay
Take a look at my comment below. This NA brain is doing pretty well, actually. EU high level gameplay is fun, sure, but not nearly as good as truly international high level gameplay + international storylines
Scrickasaurus [#46]Take a look at my comment below. This NA brain is doing pretty well, actually. EU high level gameplay is fun, sure, but not nearly as good as truly international high level gameplay + international storylines
dont agree, maybe some eu vs na matches are interesting because of the rivalry but other than that pretty meh
Scrickasaurus [#45]I will correct you on your attempted correction if you don't mind, but first I'll remind you that starting off condescending, and then going immediately into name calling, is the worst way possible to get someone to agree with you.
Your desire to see what you believe to be the "highest level of gameplay" is less important as Riot's need to ensure their esport thrives. That will never change, and your opinion as a single EU viewer is no more important than the desires of an SEA, APAC, KR, etc. viewer. If you leave because of "bad tournament slot distribution", there'll be a fan from another region to take your place because their region was actually meaningfully represented and they were actually excited about it, instead of getting pissed because your region didn't get half of the tournament slots. Remember, it's a privilege to be in a region where you can decide which team to be a fan of, instead of being saddled with one decent team for your whole region (see NA CS during 2021).
Also remember that the EU fanbase does not dominate VAL like it does in CS, so Riot has far less of a reason to cater specifically to the EU fanbase. Not only that, the EU fanbase has very little room for revenue growth since CS dominates the region's tac FPS viewership, so it's advantageous for Riot to invest in other regions more.
If I rephrase your thoughts in a less malicious fashion, and I recalibrate it to actually represent the competitive level of the smaller regions, this is what we get:
"I would rather watch a tournament with 12 of the 25 best teams in the world, instead of the actual top 12 teams in the world, if it means that each region gets to send multiple teams"International tournaments are what we're talking about after all, yes?
EU already gets the vast plurality of slots, I'm amazed you're complaining when the esport could literally die in a year or two in some of these smaller regions/regions that don't play as much tac FPS as EU.
wow too much text but yeah just give EU half of the slots or boring, dont want to watch farmers play
idkbro [#48]wow too much text but yeah just give EU half of the slots or boring, dont want to watch farmers play
or we could just rebrand the EMEA finals to world finals like you guys do in your shitty national leagues in america! Because after all there is no world other than us
Scrickasaurus [#45]I will correct you on your attempted correction if you don't mind, but first I'll remind you that starting off condescending, and then going immediately into name calling, is the worst way possible to get someone to agree with you.
Your desire to see what you believe to be the "highest level of gameplay" is less important as Riot's need to ensure their esport thrives. That will never change, and your opinion as a single EU viewer is no more important than the desires of an SEA, APAC, KR, etc. viewer. If you leave because of "bad tournament slot distribution", there'll be a fan from another region to take your place because their region was actually meaningfully represented and they were actually excited about it, instead of getting pissed because your region didn't get half of the tournament slots. Remember, it's a privilege to be in a region where you can decide which team to be a fan of, instead of being saddled with one decent team for your whole region (see NA CS during 2021).
Also remember that the EU fanbase does not dominate VAL like it does in CS, so Riot has far less of a reason to cater specifically to the EU fanbase. Not only that, the EU fanbase has very little room for revenue growth since CS dominates the region's tac FPS viewership, so it's advantageous for Riot to invest in other regions more.
If I rephrase your thoughts in a less malicious fashion, and I recalibrate it to actually represent the competitive level of the smaller regions, this is what we get:
"I would rather watch a tournament with 12 of the 25 best teams in the world, instead of the actual top 12 teams in the world, if it means that each region gets to send multiple teams"International tournaments are what we're talking about after all, yes?
EU already gets the vast plurality of slots, I'm amazed you're complaining when the esport could literally die in a year or two in some of these smaller regions/regions that don't play as much tac FPS as EU.
not a privilege, just get good american dogs, probably too stoopid to compete against superior europeans 88
idkbro [#50]or we could just rebrand the EMEA finals to world finals like you guys do in your shitty national leagues in america! Because after all there is no world other than us
....that is literally what CS is, but for EU
Ya'll literally do the same exact shit
And I tend to not watch much of American sports, for reasons including the one you mentioned. I thought it was an American thing, but turns out I'm wrong, EU does it too. You're helping to prove that's the case.
kristof [#35]cs events are leaderboard based if im not mistaken. so NA could easly send just as many teams as EU to a major if they were better
Look at the massive list of partner teams for each CS tournament and say that. More than half of the ESL Pro League teams are partnered orgs with ESL and will never lose their spot regardless of what roster they field, even if they're bad.
It has very little to do with quality of skill and everything to do with available funding for paying off TOs.
idkbro [#48]wow too much text but yeah just give EU half of the slots or boring, dont want to watch farmers play
the above is equivalent to a short blog post at worst. if you're unwilling to read, you're unwilling to inform yourself, which means your opinion is poorly founded and therefore invalid.
Scrickasaurus [#56]the above is equivalent to a short blog post at worst. if you're unwilling to read, you're unwilling to inform yourself, which means your opinion is poorly founded and therefore invalid.
m8 you cant seriously think I am being serious, you need some time in hltv cuz you take everything you read on a forum seriously to the point you write a post like that one, and I am informed, ofc I understand why they would give smaller region slots + enjoy international matches even if they arent as high quality as EMEA regional ones. I dont agree with the little slots EMEA has in champions tho, it wouldnt hurt to give the strongest region at least 1 more slot for more high quality matches and probably one more to NA just for the viewership they bring
lysenkerr [#55]It's not politics bro it's promotion and business. They want to tap into fresh Asian market.
Anyway, even uf EU and NA got 2 teams each, one of those 4 would win. So it's whatever.
It's kind of goofy that you'll get [some] EU fans all like "OTHER REGIONS AREN'T PROFITABLE" as an excuse for not supporting them, and then get mad when an esport realizes it has profitable markets outside of EU.
Scrickasaurus [#52]....that is literally what CS is, but for EU
Ya'll literally do the same exact shit
And I tend to not watch much of American sports, for reasons including the one you mentioned. I thought it was an American thing, but turns out I'm wrong, EU does it too. You're helping to prove that's the case.
I was baiting + we dont do it, we dont do that in CS, no1 refers to EU only tournament as world championships, only the major is considered one although if you are the one winning EU events you are probably the best itw because the rest of the world sucks, we are different we dont those cringey american things
idkbro [#57]m8 you cant seriously think I am being serious, you need some time in hltv cuz you take everything you read on a forum seriously to the point you write a post like that one, and I am informed, ofc I understand why they would give smaller region slots + enjoy international matches even if they arent as high quality as EMEA regional ones. I dont agree with the little slots EMEA has in champions tho, it wouldnt hurt to give the strongest region at least 1 more slot for more high quality matches and probably one more to NA just for the viewership they bring
Have you seen the vast number of comments you've posted on this thread? Which of us is working harder here?
Don't act like this was all bait just because you don't have a good logical comeback. That's just poor form.
idkbro [#59]I was baiting + we dont do it, we dont do that in CS, no1 refers to EU only tournament as world championships, only the major is considered one although if you are the one winning EU events you are probably the best itw because the rest of the world sucks, we are different we dont those cringey american things
"the rest of the world sucks"
Most KKona shit I've ever heard
Scrickasaurus [#61]"the rest of the world sucks"
Most KKona shit I've ever heard
its a fact tho, who can realistically challenge the top EU/CIS team in cs? We already saw it at the major, best non european team is Furia and they are pretty average compared to a top10 european team
Scrickasaurus [#60]Have you seen the vast number of comments you've posted on this thread? Which of us is working harder here?
Don't act like this was all bait just because you don't have a good logical comeback. That's just poor form.
I could have a good logical comeback, you can argue for both sides of the argument there is no correct answer, just what you feel is more important for your esports scene, if you value getting the highest level and making the game less regional then thats good and if you care about growing the game in smaller regions and making a world championship with a lot of regional qualifiers then thats also good, dont try to act smart because after all you are just an american, you cant compete with my intellect m8 + you are assuming im taking the conversation as seriously as you are while I am just baiting responses and trying to make others mald, you are clearly working harder im not even using my brain while in writing
Scrickasaurus [#54]Look at the massive list of partner teams for each CS tournament and say that. More than half of the ESL Pro League teams are partnered orgs with ESL and will never lose their spot regardless of what roster they field, even if they're bad.
It has very little to do with quality of skill and everything to do with available funding for paying off TOs.
Those partnered teams are also some of the best teams out there its not like they are dogshit and we are missing out on incredible teams who are not partnered, also you can easily qualify if you are good enough, there are plenty of slots for nonpartnered teams (basically you always get the best teams one way or another) + Pro League is kinda dog tho, the main ESL circuit where you get invites based on points (Katowice, Cologne, etc.. is better)
Scrickasaurus [#46]Take a look at my comment below. This NA brain is doing pretty well, actually. EU high level gameplay is fun, sure, but not nearly as good as truly international high level gameplay + international storylines
i actually think minor regions should get slots, i was just making fun of the NA fanbase because they only see dumb flashy plays and not the decision making
30Spence [#33]just remember APAC had 2 teams in the Champions playoffs and NA had 1 from sending 3 teams.
I'm still pissed at VS for that mess up :(
There would've been 3 APAC and 0 NA and then NA fans go silent forever
Scrickasaurus [#58]It's kind of goofy that you'll get [some] EU fans all like "OTHER REGIONS AREN'T PROFITABLE" as an excuse for not supporting them, and then get mad when an esport realizes it has profitable markets outside of EU.
That's because most people try to find an excuse all the time instead of accepting one thing to win an argument against a rando they probably won't even talk to again.
Scrickasaurus [#58]It's kind of goofy that you'll get [some] EU fans all like "OTHER REGIONS AREN'T PROFITABLE" as an excuse for not supporting them, and then get mad when an esport realizes it has profitable markets outside of EU.
I've actually never seen anyone who said "other regions aren't profitable".
Could you give some example?
ValdemieGC [#71]I've actually never seen anyone who said "other regions aren't profitable".
Could you give some example?
I remember some CSGO frog arguing with an Asian fan saying "irrelevant region, no one cares, no profit" something like that. But I guess those dummies don't count
Bo0mShell [#72]I remember some CSGO frog arguing with an Asian fan saying "irrelevant region, no one cares, no profit" something like that. But I guess those dummies don't count
It's well known many CSGO hardcore fans stand with a long stick up their asses lol
I was referring more to all this valorant slot allocation drama nowadays
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