Regions that appear to be the strongest, in sequence...
EMEA - BR - LATAM and KR - SEA - NA - CHI - JP
my opinion...
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ThewZ [#8]I think NA needs something to improve, I just can't say what
practice, skill and good players
ThewZ [#8]I think NA needs something to improve, I just can't say what
that cool but how is kr above sea
SEA, LATAM and especially KR are not above NA imo. LATAM has one team (KRU) that is better than any NA team and after that not too much depth. SEA is improving a lot but isn't there yet. however, there is literally no justification for putting KR ahead of NA. EMEA is obv #1 and BR is looking really good right now, so I have no reason to say they shouldn't be ranked above NA. just my take.
tinted [#12]SEA, LATAM and especially KR are not above NA imo. LATAM has one team (KRU) that is better than any NA team and after that not too much depth. SEA is improving a lot but isn't there yet. however, there is literally no justification for putting KR ahead of NA. EMEA is obv #1 and BR is looking really good right now, so I have no reason to say they shouldn't be ranked above NA. just my take.
I respect your opinion!
ipok6 [#15]brazil kekw
being the first teams out in group make them 2nd best region sheeeeeeesh 🥶🥶🥶🥶
Bait_Detector [#17]being the first teams out in group make them 2nd best region sheeeeeeesh 🥶🥶🥶🥶
they were the only ones beside gambit who made acend struggle sooo
kristof [#18]they were the only ones beside gambit who made acend struggle sooo
100T and Vision Strikers beat Acend, does that then make NA and KR even better than BR then? Form is variable, the Acend that lost to VK was not as good as the Acend that played the rest of the tournament. VK are good and Brazil arent as bad as their placements suggest, but theyre absoluitely not the second best region. EMEA>NA>LATAM>SEA>KR>BR>>>JP
ipok6 [#19]100T and Vision Strikers beat Acend, does that then make NA and KR even better than BR then? Form is variable, the Acend that lost to VK was not as good as the Acend that played the rest of the tournament. VK are good and Brazil arent as bad as their placements suggest, but theyre absoluitely not the second best region. EMEA>NA>LATAM>SEA>KR>BR>>>JP
that was almost half a year ago
and acend never lost to vk
kristof [#20]that was almost half a year ago
and acend never lost to vk
they did, it was just overturned bc of the camera bug. whether you want to count it as a true win or not idrc, it doesnt affect my point.
and yes, it was months, so Acend's form was different. just like Acend's form was different across Champions. form is variable.
ipok6 [#21]they did, it was just overturned bc of the camera bug. whether you want to count it as a true win or not idrc, it doesnt affect my point.
and yes, it was months, so Acend's form was different. just like Acend's form was different across Champions. form is variable.
no they didnt. it was an exploit not just a bug. vk used that for advantage. thats why they won
kristof [#22]no they didnt. it was an exploit not just a bug. vk used that for advantage. thats why they won
it was a bug that they exploited, still a bug. frankly VK wouldve won even without the camera but they did use it so thats on them. again, it doesnt change my point.
ThewZ [#8]I think NA needs something to improve, I just can't say what
brazil has never made it out of groups
sharks were last in iceland and vikings looked just as bad
latam has one good team which is now a new team since half the team left for bigger Brazilian orgs
sea as a whole isn't better than NA. X10 played like they had nothing to lose (but beat envy) when envy was playing with a sick victor
korea has an overrated team that goes by the name of vision strikers and everyone else
please think before you write these inflammatory and egregious statements
RickyIndian [#26]EMEA - NA - SEA - BR - LATAM - KR - JP
Based on the depth of the region's teams and the region's accomplishments.
LATAM has to be > SEA and BR right? BR has never accomplished anything at all on the international stage while LATAM has a top 4 team, and KRU outperformed all SEA teams at both Berlin and Champions
ipok6 [#27]LATAM has to be > SEA and BR right? BR has never accomplished anything at all on the international stage while LATAM has a top 4 team, and KRU outperformed all SEA teams at both Berlin and Champions
Region wise? no. Team wise? yes. Kru is definitely better than any SEA team but the region is not. And since KRU got disbanded-ish im pretty sure LATAM doesn’t have any contender teams other than Kru
ipok6 [#27]LATAM has to be > SEA and BR right? BR has never accomplished anything at all on the international stage while LATAM has a top 4 team, and KRU outperformed all SEA teams at both Berlin and Champions
we are talking about the whole region tho, SEA>LATAM
ipok6 [#24]it was a bug that they exploited, still a bug. frankly VK wouldve won even without the camera but they did use it so thats on them. again, it doesnt change my point.
vk wouldve lost without the camera. you saw it when they replayed the match. vk lost. doesnt change my point either
I am the type of guy to trash talk to NA every time but saying they are worse than Brazil or LATAM is braindead, Brazil has improved a lot but remember not even 1 brazilian team made playoffs, they still have a lot to prove, LATAM is basically KRU and ex-Australs and friends, probably the worst region together with Japan also NA had some shitty luck at times imo, they were behind european teams but just like every other region was, NA easily top2 region atm, maybe brazil can take the spot this year or Korea if they fix their shitty 2021 format
ThewZ [#5]considered Korea, China, Japan as SEA, but SEA = LATAM imo
do you not know what the SE in SEA stands for
idkbro [#31]I am the type of guy to trash talk to NA every time but saying they are worse than Brazil or LATAM is braindead, Brazil has improved a lot but remember not even 1 brazilian team made playoffs, they still have a lot to prove, LATAM is basically KRU and ex-Australs and friends, probably the worst region together with Japan also NA had some shitty luck at times imo, they were behind european teams but just like every other region was, NA easily top2 region atm, maybe brazil can take the spot this year or Korea if they fix their shitty 2021 format
Also, this was KRUs peak, they were not a top4 team material in champions imo, no hate to them but dont think they will accomplish much more with this current roster, maybe if they got some upgrades for nagzet and delz1k they could but those 2 guys are not champions contender material
kristof [#30]vk wouldve lost without the camera. you saw it when they replayed the match. vk lost. doesnt change my point either
The match started 7-0 for Acend, it's an unfair result, the right thing would be to start 0-0, and even with an initial 7-0, Keyd almost won the map...
ipok6 [#27]LATAM has to be > SEA and BR right? BR has never accomplished anything at all on the international stage while LATAM has a top 4 team, and KRU outperformed all SEA teams at both Berlin and Champions
I believe that what helped KRU to become a great team was the fact that they trained against all the high-level Brazilian teams, while the Brazilians did not train among themselves, to hide the tactics.
kristof [#30]vk wouldve lost without the camera. you saw it when they replayed the match. vk lost. doesnt change my point either
acend started 7-0 up and almost lost LMAO
ipok6 [#37]acend started 7-0 up and almost lost LMAO
thats why i said they made acend struggle at least. but nothing more. vk still lost
ThewZ [#35]The match started 7-0 for Acend, it's an unfair result, the right thing would be to start 0-0, and even with an initial 7-0, Keyd almost won the map...
“almost”thats why i said they made acend struggle. idk why are u idiot complaining
idkbro [#33]Also, this was KRUs peak, they were not a top4 team material in champions imo, no hate to them but dont think they will accomplish much more with this current roster, maybe if they got some upgrades for nagzet and delz1k they could but those 2 guys are not champions contender material
I believe that what helped KRU to become a great team was the fact that they trained against all the high-level Brazilian teams, while the Brazilians did not train among themselves, to hide the tactics.
In addition to this fact about KRU, the Brazilians came very close to the champions playoffs, VKS had several chances to close the game against Gambit and failed due to psychological pressure.
nyomski [#28]Region wise? no. Team wise? yes. Kru is definitely better than any SEA team but the region is not. And since KRU got disbanded-ish im pretty sure LATAM doesn’t have any contender teams other than Kru
Australs got signed by another org I think. I agree that LATAM isnt a deep region outside KRU, but frankly neither is SEA outside X10 (and they lost Patiphan so who knows if theyre still gonna be as good). Secret is good but hasn't actually proved anything, they only made it to playoffs bc they had a weak group.
RickyIndian [#25]brazil has never made it out of groups
sharks were last in iceland and vikings looked just as badlatam has one good team which is now a new team since half the team left for bigger Brazilian orgs
sea as a whole isn't better than NA. X10 played like they had nothing to lose (but beat envy) when envy was playing with a sick victor
korea has an overrated team that goes by the name of vision strikers and everyone else
please think before you write these inflammatory and egregious statements
You are a Sentinels fan right? Do you think that your fanbase is called toxic?
Wait till you see Loud Fanbase when masters come.
cheaterr [#29]we are talking about the whole region tho, SEA>LATAM
ik we're talking about the whole region, but the whole region of SEA is also pretty weak. X10 is the only team that has proven anything internationally, Secret just got through a weak group. and x10 just lost patiphan. Paper Rex and Full Sense bombed out of their events.
plas [#41]NA - wins iceland, reaches finals of masters 3 berlin, reaches quarters of champions = 6TH SPOT
Brazil - no teams in playoffs champions, no teams in playoffs berlin masters, 5th - 6th place in iceland = 2ND STRONGEST
tHiS iS oNlY mY oPiNiON gUySS
The topic is about the current moment, and at the moment I think the Brazilian scene is stronger than the American one.
kristof [#38]thats why i said they made acend struggle at least. but nothing more. vk still lost
they were the better team on the day which is all that really matters when we're talking about relative team strength. regardless, brazil aint that good just because VK beat/almost-beat/barely-lost-to/beat-with-exploits a weak Acend.
kristof [#39]“almost”thats why i said they made acend struggle. idk why are u idiot complaining
If VK played Acend today, do you think Acend would Win?
ThewZ [#46]The topic is about the current moment, and at the moment I think the Brazilian scene is stronger than the American one.
there is no reasonable match history that would make anyone think that right this moment brazil is stronger than NA when there are no international matches and the top NA teams haven't played a single game in months. you make no sense and are probably just baiting tbh
inkie [#45]he is givin a opinion lol you dont have to attack him
before he edited it he mixed 3 regions as one xD
ipok6 [#47]they were the better team on the day which is all that really matters when we're talking about relative team strength. regardless, brazil aint that good just because VK beat/almost-beat/barely-lost-to/beat-with-exploits a weak Acend.
nah acend was better at the first match as well but the camera exploit gave too much help to vk
plas [#50]there is no reasonable match history that would make anyone think that right this moment brazil is stronger than NA when there are no international matches and the top NA teams haven't played a single game in months. you make no sense and are probably just baiting tbh
I follow some American and Brazilian matches, I can tell you that the ones in Brazil are of a better level, but as I said in the topic, it's my opinion, you can have yours.
ThewZ [#53]I follow some American and Brazilian matches, I can tell you that the ones in Brazil are of a better level, but as I said in the topic, it's my opinion, you can have yours.
as i said, NA matches have no top tier teams playing currently which is why ur argument makes no sense. watching T2 teams isn't the same as watching the top 6 teams play and btw LOUD almost lost a map to some pug team and to mibr, no comment on that.
ipok6 [#42]Australs got signed by another org I think. I agree that LATAM isnt a deep region outside KRU, but frankly neither is SEA outside X10 (and they lost Patiphan so who knows if theyre still gonna be as good). Secret is good but hasn't actually proved anything, they only made it to playoffs bc they had a weak group.
Australs tho good, is nowhere close to KRU. Whilst only ex-10 and TS have proven anything internationally, those 2 teams are also getting beaten by other SEA teams, thus i think SEA has better competition than LATAM has in recent time of course. Would love to see how this plays out in the coming masters and champions event
RickyIndian [#25]brazil has never made it out of groups
sharks were last in iceland and vikings looked just as badlatam has one good team which is now a new team since half the team left for bigger Brazilian orgs
sea as a whole isn't better than NA. X10 played like they had nothing to lose (but beat envy) when envy was playing with a sick victor
korea has an overrated team that goes by the name of vision strikers and everyone else
please think before you write these inflammatory and egregious statements
kru is better than any NA and BR team, but thats all. They are clearly superior to their rivals in latam, the have no competition lol
kristof [#52]nah acend was better at the first match as well but the camera exploit gave too much help to vk
a camera exploit doesnt win you that many rounds, plain and simple. acend only went A like 3 times anyway. even acend said that they played worse that day
plas [#55]as i said, NA matches have no top tier teams playing currently which is why ur argument makes no sense. watching T2 teams isn't the same as watching the top 6 teams play and btw LOUD almost lost a map to some pug team and to mibr, no comment on that.
Almost Lost a map After being the most studied team in the hole tournament with more than xx voids and literally spanking everyone that they faced with a team made in 2 weeks.
The potential of Loud is imense, and they didn't even started
ThewZ [#5]considered Korea, China, Japan as SEA, but SEA = LATAM imo
dont combine us south east asians with koreans. they are considered north east asia alr
inkie [#59]kru is better than any NA and BR team, but thats all. They are clearly superior to their rivals in latam, the have no competition lol
that's my point lol. strength of the region is based on depth and accomplishments
nyomski [#58]Australs tho good, is nowhere close to KRU. Whilst only ex-10 and TS have proven anything internationally, those 2 teams are also getting beaten by other SEA teams, thus i think SEA has better competition than LATAM has in recent time of course. Would love to see how this plays out in the coming masters and champions event
you raise some good points but i still disagree. TS hasnt really proven anything, they just got through an easy group. regarding X10 being beaten by other teams, their only domestic losses since Stage 3 Challengers Playoffs was in a third party tournament where they were running complete troll comps and clearly not taking it seriously.
ipok6 [#60]a camera exploit doesnt win you that many rounds, plain and simple. acend only went A like 3 times anyway. even acend said that they played worse that day
even if they dont go A the cam will still give them a lot of info cuz they can assume its gonna be B without peeking and they can all rotate. they even know if theyre faking or not cuz the cam can see above the viper ult and it can see if theyre out of A main or nah without them seeing the cam
manca [#3]wow people really sleeping that hard on na now
It's like they forgot we were the Masters 2 winner and Masters 3 runner-up
Mitty [#67]It's like they forgot we were the Masters 2 winner and Masters 3 runner-up
Masters 2 and 3*
RickyIndian [#64]that's my point lol. strength of the region is based on depth and accomplishments
yeah, but is not the same. The level and number of players in latam is not the same than na and br. KRU is a superteam with the best players of their region, they dont represent the average level of latam
ThewZ [#16]I respect your opinion!
why'd you put China above Japan? have they had any public or international tournaments? I don't think they can be ranked if we haven't really seen any play from them, but that's just my thoughts
Bait_Detector [#51]before he edited it he mixed 3 regions as one xD
I fixed it, do you need to attack for that?
spookmeister [#69]I need an explanation for KR. Only one top 3 finish at an international LAN, and it was NUTURN at Reykjavik. Not vision strikers who so many of you praised almighty. I mean, dude. They didnt even qualify for Champions Playoffs. I really would like to know your logic putting them there.
Tactical game, if they import a player with a good aim, or there is a great promise with a good aim there, it will be very strong.
ThewZ [#74]Tactical game, if they import a player with a good aim, or there is a great promise with a good aim there, it will be very strong.
thats an "if", and even then i would say BuZz is a really good aimer. So why didnt VS win with him if what youre saying is actually correct?
spookmeister [#75]thats an "if", and even then i would say BuZz is a really good aimer. So why didnt VS win with him if what youre saying is actually correct?
You dont understand he is indirectly supporting his love towards bts thats why korea is better in his opinion
ThewZ [#5]considered Korea, China, Japan as SEA, but SEA = LATAM imo
china is north asia
Japan and Korea are north east asia
SEA - South east Asia
kristof [#66]even if they dont go A the cam will still give them a lot of info cuz they can assume its gonna be B without peeking and they can all rotate. they even know if theyre faking or not cuz the cam can see above the viper ult and it can see if theyre out of A main or nah without them seeing the cam
a normal, shootable camera also gives you that same info
Noob_dart [#76]You dont understand he is indirectly supporting his love towards bts thats why korea is better in his opinion
LOL tru
ipok6 [#79]a normal, shootable camera also gives you that same info
no the other team would shoot it before it can even see something
and when they used a normal camera which gave them 0 advantage they lost the match
kristof [#81]no the other team would shoot it before it can even see something
and when they used a normal camera which gave them 0 advantage they lost the match
it was the 7-0 start that lost them the rematch, not the different camera...
ipok6 [#82]it was the 7-0 start that lost them the rematch, not the different camera...
acend would have won without the 7-0 start as well
ThewZ [#11]tactical
??? LOL this gotta be troll, SEA literally rolled through opponents through mechanical prowess not tactical, there is noway you actually watched the games.
ShadowisBAD [#83]TRASH LIST
stopped reading when EMEA is 1
EMEA is best region but it is indeed a trash list
tinted [#12]SEA, LATAM and especially KR are not above NA imo. LATAM has one team (KRU) that is better than any NA team and after that not too much depth. SEA is improving a lot but isn't there yet. however, there is literally no justification for putting KR ahead of NA. EMEA is obv #1 and BR is looking really good right now, so I have no reason to say they shouldn't be ranked above NA. just my take.
I wouldn't say KRU is better than every NA team
Philosopher_Stone [#14]what makes me excited about Brazil in 2022 is that the region right now has a lot of fresh talent being integrated into the tier 1 scene (cuazain, aspas, jzz, Less), which is different from other regions where fps veterans have proven to be more successful.
All that talent just to flunk out in groups?
inkie [#59]kru is better than any NA and BR team, but thats all. They are clearly superior to their rivals in latam, the have no competition lol
biased, they are not even that superior in latam/br
nikoya [#89]EMEA
NA
SEA
BR
LATAM
KR
JP(based on region as a whole, not just their best team or champs teams, I'll prob change this list in the future, I didn't put much thought into it)
SEA is nowhere near NA dude, only thing SEA did is upset NV and get out of a group against Vikings
ThewZ [#36]I believe that what helped KRU to become a great team was the fact that they trained against all the high-level Brazilian teams, while the Brazilians did not train among themselves, to hide the tactics.
this is a very good point
PrTsty [#94]SEA is nowhere near NA dude, only thing SEA did is upset NV and get out of a group against Vikings
and what did NA do? just c9 made it to playoffs
why_you_bad_bro [#96]and what did NA do? just c9 made it to playoffs
its one tournament lol, NV had food who had covid and clearly played worse because of it, SEN lost close games against KRU and TL which both shouldve been won (dapr not running away in mid against TL and 2 8-4 losses against KRU) and in the rest of the year SEA was nowhere near NA either, NA won master 2 and were runner-ups of masters 3, tell me why SEA is better? because they made 2 top 8 finishes in champions where 1 was against Team Vikings and the other one by a team that lost their best player which was also the best player of the region
tinted [#12]SEA, LATAM and especially KR are not above NA imo. LATAM has one team (KRU) that is better than any NA team and after that not too much depth. SEA is improving a lot but isn't there yet. however, there is literally no justification for putting KR ahead of NA. EMEA is obv #1 and BR is looking really good right now, so I have no reason to say they shouldn't be ranked above NA. just my take.
And Brazil not better than NA either
PrTsty [#97]its one tournament lol, NV had food who had covid and clearly played worse because of it, SEN lost close games against KRU and TL which both shouldve been won (dapr not running away in mid against TL and 2 8-4 losses against KRU) and in the rest of the year SEA was nowhere near NA either, NA won master 2 and were runner-ups of masters 3, tell me why SEA is better? because they made 2 top 8 finishes in champions where 1 was against Team Vikings and the other one by a team that lost their best player which was also the best player of the region
from when does seeding consider losing your best player
also i interpreted the title of this thread as the CURRENT strongest not the strongest at the start of the circuit
why_you_bad_bro [#99]from when does seeding consider losing your best player
also i interpreted the title of this thread as the CURRENT strongest not the strongest at the start of the circuit
I mean yes we are talking about current but people be sleeping on NA just because NV got upset and SEN had 2 top 4 teams playing out of their minds against them
MilanTheMyth [#100]I'll do same list but BR lower
what did BR do to get 2nd? get to playoffs?
Current state, great Teams + New players entering from LATAM and Portugal
PrTsty [#101]I mean yes we are talking about current but people be sleeping on NA just because NV got upset and SEN had 2 top 4 teams playing out of their minds against them
sleeping on NA maybe...
but i think depending on the masters results they were the higher seeded team in their group and no one would've predicted 2 teams from that group would end up top 4
anyway excited asf for valorant in 2022
PrTsty [#97]its one tournament lol, NV had food who had covid and clearly played worse because of it, SEN lost close games against KRU and TL which both shouldve been won (dapr not running away in mid against TL and 2 8-4 losses against KRU) and in the rest of the year SEA was nowhere near NA either, NA won master 2 and were runner-ups of masters 3, tell me why SEA is better? because they made 2 top 8 finishes in champions where 1 was against Team Vikings and the other one by a team that lost their best player which was also the best player of the region
that's true, I didn't think of that. I'll edit it rn. I wouldn't say SEA is nowhere near NA, but yeah NA is better.
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