between these two, which do you guys think is the best player?
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Heat vs cNed
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Gorkem [#6]Cned didnt good performance at champions but overall cned>heat
He did perfromed good are you crazy he was always 20+ Frags but his team stepped up this time too
ThePsych0 [#9]He did perfromed good are you crazy he was always 20+ Frags but his team stepped up this time too
Always +20 frags??:d yea sure xddd.
junior [#11]I could say Heat is better with "normal" guns but cNed with operator is just in another level
flag checks out
CalypsoGHC [#10]no
Yes
Cned did nothing that heat could not do and in their battle Heat was proven to be in same level.
AladdinINSANE [#14]Yes
Cned did nothing that heat could not do and in their battle Heat was proven to be in same level.
Cned won champs, Heat got out in groups
Giannero [#16]Cned won champs, Heat got out in groups
We are talking about individual level not about vivo keyd level vs Acend level bro
Giannero [#16]Cned won champs, Heat got out in groups
By your point of view:
Fallen >> S1mple right? because fallen won two major s1mple won his first this current year...
good to know!
Noyn [#22]cNed is only better with the operator, and the level is close, Heat is considerably better with the knives and rifle, also pistols
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AladdinINSANE [#20]By your point of view:
Fallen >> S1mple right? because fallen won two major s1mple won his first this current year...
good to know!
Age difference bad example
Noyn [#24]Flag check
Max bra71L hahahah hEaT>world
How does it feel to be eliminated from the groups?
Gorkem [#26]Max bra71L hahahah hEaT>world
How does it feel to be eliminated from the groups?
NT no scene
eSBee [#27]cNed, why are we even having this discussion
Cause bra71L fanboys want to feel important in something themselves
CalypsoGHC [#25]Age difference bad example
Bad example is your talking that individually someone is better than the other because a collective title.
I still feel Cned is a bit overrated. Tenz, Yay, scream are better than him. Heat is very close to him as well.
Cned's operator is special, but his rifling is common, I'm sorry.
About your fighting in the chat, stop it. Grow up and realize that offending others because of a videogame will bring you nowhere in life.
Everyone has his own opinion (even when it is super imparcial). Everyone is imparcial in this discussions, so just stop worrying about it.
If Heat were better than Cned, and you were an EU fan, you would still say the opposite ( that Cned is better than Heat).
thiagomds [#19]Heat is underrated af, people think cned is the best jett by far and not look how many rounds he throw because egopeek. Heat is more efficient and has better fundamentals than Cned
i think heat is just pure shouting
Gorkem [#12]Always +20 frags??:d yea sure xddd.
Bro, he did have better/equal stats than Zeek (MVP of the tournament in case you didn't know) in every stat except assists per round + he was the champion of the tournament. What do you want? 40 kills every map?
Creaz [#37]Bro, he did have better/equal stats than Zeek (MVP of the tournament in case you didn't know) in every stat except assists per round + he was the champion of the tournament. What do you want? 40 kills every map?
Ofc no.this guy says he was always +20 frags :dd he s not. Zeek was better than cned at champions.
Gorkem [#38]Ofc no.this guy says he was always +20 frags :dd he s not. Zeek was better than cned at champions.
You said that cNed didnt have a good performance at champions which is NOT the case. Agree with Zeek > cNed at Champions but just because Zeek won very important rounds and had an incredible tournament, so did cNed.
Creaz [#39]You said that cNed didnt have a good performance at champions which is NOT the case. Agree with Zeek > cNed at Champions but just because Zeek won very important rounds and had an incredible tournament, so did cNed.
Bro. Even cned said it himself okay?? And yes cNed didn't good performance at champions. He did avarage performance.
Gorkem [#40]Bro. Even cned said it himself okay?? And yes cNed didn't good performance at champions. He did avarage performance.
avarage NT
thiagomds [#19]Heat is underrated af, people think cned is the best jett by far and not look how many rounds he throw because egopeek. Heat is more efficient and has better fundamentals than Cned
holy fuck i coudn't disagree more cned is the only jett player unlike yay and tenz that was able to convert his playstyle into a teamplay style and still frags the same, don't tell me that heat doesn't ego peek bcz u know it's not true
0vertaker [#34]I still feel Cned is a bit overrated. Tenz, Yay, scream are better than him. Heat is very close to him as well.
Cned's operator is special, but his rifling is common, I'm sorry.About your fighting in the chat, stop it. Grow up and realize that offending others because of a videogame will bring you nowhere in life.
Everyone has his own opinion (even when it is super imparcial). Everyone is imparcial in this discussions, so just stop worrying about it.
If Heat were better than Cned, and you were an EU fan, you would still say the opposite ( that Cned is better than Heat).
Tell me what cNed was worse than Tenz at during champions. Id love to hear it cause he literally outperformed him in every regard.
ScreaM isnt even in the conversation at least if were talking about Jett he tried Jett for one series and went back to Reyna immediately after.
0vertaker [#34]I still feel Cned is a bit overrated. Tenz, Yay, scream are better than him. Heat is very close to him as well.
Cned's operator is special, but his rifling is common, I'm sorry.About your fighting in the chat, stop it. Grow up and realize that offending others because of a videogame will bring you nowhere in life.
Everyone has his own opinion (even when it is super imparcial). Everyone is imparcial in this discussions, so just stop worrying about it.
If Heat were better than Cned, and you were an EU fan, you would still say the opposite ( that Cned is better than Heat).
I mean, i just made this post to see you guys opinion... i dont have a side here at all
AladdinINSANE [#32]Bad example is your talking that individually someone is better than the other because a collective title.
Okay look at them individually then.
As Jett
cNed 276 ACS 1.47 KD .99 KPR over ~4600 rounds
heat 260 ACS 1.38 KD .96 KPR over ~ 2800 rounds
So cNed maintains higer averages in every category and with almost 2000 more rounds played.
trembolonaRage [#33]heat is miles ahead of him
and mwzera is even bettter than both with duelists
Cringe biased take based on nothing
Gorkem [#40]Bro. Even cned said it himself okay?? And yes cNed didn't good performance at champions. He did avarage performance.
cNed and Zeek had nearly identical stats at Champions but you say Zeek was amazing and cNed was average. Just shows how much you expect from cNed because he IS that good
Gorkem [#30]Keep crying tier3 region. Heat not even close to cNed
dont do them like that lol, they are solid t2 only being above jp
NG1nS [#42]holy fuck i coudn't disagree more cned is the only jett player unlike yay and tenz that was able to convert his playstyle into a teamplay style and still frags the same, don't tell me that heat doesn't ego peek bcz u know it's not true
Uhm Leaf? Literally did everything for C9
Free [#43]Tell me what cNed was worse than Tenz at during champions. Id love to hear it cause he literally outperformed him in every regard.
ScreaM isnt even in the conversation at least if were talking about Jett he tried Jett for one series and went back to Reyna immediately after.
I was talking about dueslists in general. Scream's Reyna is better than Cned's jett.
Tenz did have a good performance in some maps, but the whole team was struggling and they were disqualified.
If the team is not working, than the duelists won't play in a high level as well, that's clear. You can't compare Cned to Tenz in champs. You can compare Tenz's Iceland with Cned's Champions, and it's clear that Tenz's peformance at that tournament was superior, since Cned wasn't even the best in his team.
Free [#52]cNed and Zeek had nearly identical stats at Champions but you say Zeek was amazing and cNed was average. Just shows how much you expect from cNed because he IS that good
Ofc. Im exactly talking about that. This performance not even cned's performance.cned was better in masters berlin.
Izanagi [#49]cNed better with Operator
Heat better with riflesI think they both are in the same level with the knives (ult)
0/8
0vertaker [#55]I was talking about dueslists in general. Scream's Reyna is better than Cned's jett.
Tenz did have a good performance in some maps, but the whole team was struggling and they were disqualified.
If the team is not working, than the duelists won't play in a high level as well, that's clear. You can't compare Cned to Tenz in champs. You can compare Tenz's Iceland with Cned's Champions, and it's clear that Tenz's peformance at that tournament was superior, since Cned wasn't even the best in his team.
Oh yeah lets compare the best tournament Tenz played months ago with an average tournament from cNed in the present. That totally seems unbiased and reasonable. Imagine cNed isnt even the best player on his team and STILL OUTPERFORMS TenZ. How can you be that much of a fanboi that you make an argument against yourself and dont even realize.
And no, cNed has played over 3x the rounds on Jett as scream has on Reyna and they have pretty much the same stats. .99 KPR. In no world is ScreaM a BETTER duelist than cNed right now. Theres a small argument that theyre at the same level but cNed being able to play Jett is just more impactful.
Gorkem [#56]Ofc. Im exactly talking about that. This performance not even cned's performance.cned was better in masters berlin.
Still elite at champions just not undoubtedly the best player
Free [#59]Still elite at champions just not undoubtedly the best player
Nobody is best player right now.All the players performed close to each other at champions. But literally cned didnt even performed the real cned performance. If he did , we could say undisputed best player in the world
jawn [#62]cNed is the irrefutable best jett/op player in the world rn, he could even make a case for best player in the world. Heat is only 18 tho so he has a lot of room to grow.
Cned only 19 :)
Gorkem [#61]Nobody is best player right now.All the players performed close to each other at champions. But literally cned didnt even performed the real cned performance. If he did , we could say undisputed best player in the world
No but cNed is still a step above heat and tenz thats for sure
Free [#64]No but cNed is still a step above heat and tenz thats for sure
Actually yes. But true cned better than heat and TenZ
NG1nS [#42]holy fuck i coudn't disagree more cned is the only jett player unlike yay and tenz that was able to convert his playstyle into a teamplay style and still frags the same, don't tell me that heat doesn't ego peek bcz u know it's not true
heat improve this so much. all stars jett have the same problem with overconfidence but heat is much better now in this aspect.
On champions cNed didn't perform amazingly well like he usually does so you could make up an argument for heat being better at rifling and cned being better a oping but it would be unfair to ignore the ridiculous consistency cNed showed throughout the year, he definitely had a better year than heat in a better region on top of that.
Free [#58]Oh yeah lets compare the best tournament Tenz played months ago with an average tournament from cNed in the present. That totally seems unbiased and reasonable. Imagine cNed isnt even the best player on his team and STILL OUTPERFORMS TenZ. How can you be that much of a fanboi that you make an argument against yourself and dont even realize.
And no, cNed has played over 3x the rounds on Jett as scream has on Reyna and they have pretty much the same stats. .99 KPR. In no world is ScreaM a BETTER duelist than cNed right now. Theres a small argument that theyre at the same level but cNed being able to play Jett is just more impactful.
Sorry, it's not my fault that Cned didn't perform the best he can in champs. So what should we do? Compare Tenz's Iceland performance to Cned's performance in Red Bull Tournament where he was at his peak??
I am not a NA fan, and tbh, I think Tenz is overrated as well. But he is still better than Cned.
About Scream, of course they have similar stats. Acend stomped liquid when they played against each othe. Every liquid player had negative KD and a low rating. Meanwhile acend players had all positive KD and very high ratings due to the match circumstances.
scum [#67]On champions cNed didn't perform amazingly well like he usually does so you could make up an argument for heat being better at rifling and cned being better a oping but it would be unfair to ignore the ridiculous consistency cNed showed throughout the year, he definitely had a better year than heat in a better region on top of that.
About EU being a better region, you cannot use that as an argument because in all international events Heat showed up and had really good performance (against EU and NA teams). Doesn't matter the team, he performed against everyone.
0vertaker [#69]About EU being a better region, you cannot use that as an argument because in all international events Heat showed up and had really good performance (against EU and NA teams). Doesn't matter the team, he performed against everyone.
yet against the worse(facts don't try to make an argument about this) region he didn't perform better... yep no problem here all makes sense yep yep CaNnOt uSe tHaT aRgUmEnT yep
RickyIndian [#72]How has no one brought up Bonkar?
why would anyone compare bonkar to cned and heat u dumb?
bonkar would shit on both with one hand and one eye.
people these days man..
NG1nS [#71]yet against the worse(facts don't try to make an argument about this) region he didn't perform better... yep no problem here all makes sense yep yep CaNnOt uSe tHaT aRgUmEnT yep
The team lost, you can't expect from a player to have every match a 2.5 KD even when he loses
Free [#47]Okay look at them individually then.
As Jett
cNed 276 ACS 1.47 KD .99 KPR over ~4600 rounds
heat 260 ACS 1.38 KD .96 KPR over ~ 2800 roundsSo cNed maintains higer averages in every category and with almost 2000 more rounds played.
sheeeesh you killed him bro
trembolonaRage [#33]heat is miles ahead of him
and mwzera is even bettter than both with duelists
Its a joke or your stupid?
thiagomds [#19]Heat is underrated af, people think cned is the best jett by far and not look how many rounds he throw because egopeek. Heat is more efficient and has better fundamentals than Cned
you made me laugh there
0vertaker [#68]Sorry, it's not my fault that Cned didn't perform the best he can in champs. So what should we do? Compare Tenz's Iceland performance to Cned's performance in Red Bull Tournament where he was at his peak??
I am not a NA fan, and tbh, I think Tenz is overrated as well. But he is still better than Cned.
About Scream, of course they have similar stats. Acend stomped liquid when they played against each othe. Every liquid player had negative KD and a low rating. Meanwhile acend players had all positive KD and very high ratings due to the match circumstances.
He didnt perform his best yet he still HARD outperformed Tenz, says a lot.
We should compare them based on their most recent performances or at least the same time interval, last 90 days or so where cNed is clearly the superior player. Why would you use a single tournament 6 months ago to decide who is better right now, just an absolutely biased and braindead take.
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