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Congo1

Who would you say is the Goat in CS? A while back people were saying simple. Do you feel the same? Is there a clear goat even? Do they have the same problem as valorant that theres too many different winners so there arent goats?

Or would you argue the goats are guy like device or dupreeh for the amount of wins they have akin to Chronicle?

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I would say s1mple cuz I am biased, but give a few years to zywoo and a few major wins and he is the goat. Dupreeh and device are disqualified from the debate cuz they never got top 1 at hltv, can't be a goat if you haven't been the greatest in one year.
I would put:

  1. S1mple
  2. zywoo
    GAP.
    device
    . niko
    olof
    dupreeh
    magisk
    forest
    get_right
    coldzera/fallen/kenny
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What would monesy and donk have to do to climb up this list? How close are they now?

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ash_knuckles
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play at the same level for like 2 more years

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Galactc
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Monesy has to win and donk has to be good for longer than a year

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Nef0r0
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I would say one more year of dominance from donk and he jumps forest to be like right behind niko and dupreeh. He is solo player, no team around him like astralis were a packed unit of 5 top 20 players. monesy is a strange case, he has been top 7 since his tier 1 debut but he is yet to prove himself without niko. Right now he is struggling with consistency cuz g2 are shit. I feel like his bet to be climbing the ladder is to go to navi. Main star with 4 support cast players.

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ash_knuckles
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Stewie and twistzz deserve at least honourable mentions

#13
Nef0r0
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stewie is an HM for sure, I would put him behind cold/fallen/kenny, like A tier player. IMO what stopped him from top 10 is his rapid decline since 2019. So in 2017 he was just a great player on a mid team, in 2018 he won the major then went to mibr for some reason, then he was vital for liquid to have that mini era but they choked, and then he just disappeared.
Twistzz is a weird one cuz he was always the 2nd/3rd best player on faze and liquid, never the main star, and his current liquid stint is just a disaster. great player, crucial to both teams, but for me he has to prove himself on liquid, again. If the rumours are true and they are getting siuhy, I would love to see him shine again.

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how is coldzera so low? he should be around olof imo

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Nef0r0
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way too short of a prime, 2 years and then he disappeared. Like relevancy bias for me plays a role as well, I rank donk being a solo carry in this competitive scene way more than cold's reign, like he fallen and fer were top 1, 4 and 6 in one year I think

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coldz was top 1 two years in a row (iirc) which to this day is still an insane perf. He did disapear but he made the most legendary CS clip ever and is the figure of SA CS. All this deserves more respect than the placement you gave him imo

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I don't care about the scenes here, and i would argue that fallen is a figure of SA CS, not coldzera. I rate them based on what they achieved and had during their careers. If donk suffers a decline just like cold then he will drop for sure. If we rank cold all time after his 2nd top 1, definitely top 4, right now, top 10

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yeah fair ig

#10
reremus
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Can vouch that this is as close to a perfect list as you can have.

There's a newer player named donk who's on track to be the goat if he keeps up the way he's been playing AND achieving. In his rookie year (2024) he won 4 events including a major at only 17/18 years old. It'll be interesting to watch him attempt at challenging the throne.

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Er3ngenes1s
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for me imo
CSGO: S1mple ( top 2 player in the world for 5 consecutive years, yes 5 fucking years)
CS2: donk666 ( broke almost all the possible records in the world in his rookie year)

#5
Nef0r0
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cs2 is way too early imo, donk is great but spirit might let him down by being shit

#11
Er3ngenes1s
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true but rn? i think he should be in coversation

#18
Nef0r0
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I feel like we are way too early into cs2 to have this conversation at all :D

#15
acels
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zywoo is obviously the GOAT. any other answer is wrong

#16
ash_knuckles
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oh my god NO ONE CARES AC0000LS

#17
acels
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who r u

#19
ash_knuckles
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unimportant. hop off zywoo's cock u've been on it since I've been on this site

#30
acels
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nah u gotta be a zellsis word if u think s0mple is better

#33
ash_knuckles
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ana > s0mple > bywoo
just how it is sorry

#20
Nef0r0
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just needs a clear major win over the favourites and not tier 3 teams and I will rank him higher than s1mple, might even do with another cologne win

#31
acels
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which is guaranteed hes gonna win at least 3 more trophies this year

#21
bE
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theres no clear goat but I'd say zywoo has the more compelling argument

#23
ash_knuckles
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no? simple clears.

#25
bE
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both of them pretty much have the same achievements, but zywoo has a future in cs2 and s1mple doesn't

#26
Nef0r0
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I would rank s1mple over zywoo cuz s1mple achieved more with less. Like there is no way a team with zeus flamie and edward was supposed to be at the major final or semi final, or liquid with jdm and hiko and nitro

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DONK , DONK , DONK , DEVICE , XANTARES

#29
ash_knuckles
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fastest player itw.....and donk

#28
BeraJr
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1) Simple
2) Zywoo
3) Device
4) Niko
5) Dupreeh
6) Olof
7) Magisk
8) kennyS
9) Coldzera
10) Stewie

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