Lets be real here its Kaps fault for wanting the team to play scrappy and for fun like EDG when SEN are at their absolute worst when they play scrappy and loose
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teilwal [#2]Kaplan is the top 3 greatest coach managed to bring this mid ass roster to bangkok
Mid ass roster:
One of the best IGLs itw (Top 5)
One of the best duelist players itw (Top 8)
One of the best smokes itw (Top 5)
Zellsis
Sometimes one of the best flexes itw (sometimes top 5)
JustHunter [#3]Mid ass roster:
One of the best IGLs itw (Top 5)
One of the best duelist players itw (Top 8)
One of the best smokes itw (Top 5)
Zellsis
Sometimes one of the best flexes itw (sometimes top 5)
Zellsis
JustHunter [#3]Mid ass roster:
One of the best IGLs itw (Top 5)
One of the best duelist players itw (Top 8)
One of the best smokes itw (Top 5)
Zellsis
Sometimes one of the best flexes itw (sometimes top 5)
Bang top 5 Smokes? LMAO its 2025
JustHunter [#3]Mid ass roster:
One of the best IGLs itw (Top 5)
One of the best duelist players itw (Top 8)
One of the best smokes itw (Top 5)
Zellsis
Sometimes one of the best flexes itw (sometimes top 5)
Bang is not even close to top 5 controller itw and JohnQT has been getting more and more exposed ever since teams figured out how to stop SEN retakes last year and he actually has to IGL instead of relying on protocols only
JustHunter [#3]Mid ass roster:
One of the best IGLs itw (Top 5)
One of the best duelist players itw (Top 8)
One of the best smokes itw (Top 5)
Zellsis
Sometimes one of the best flexes itw (sometimes top 5)
bang isn’t even top 5 smokes in americas what the fuck
XiXiWiiPee [#6]Bang is not even close to top 5 controller itw and JohnQT has been getting more and more exposed ever since teams figured out how to stop SEN retakes last year and he actually has to IGL instead of relying on protocols only
Johns calling is fine. It's just that last year he had a team that wasn't hesitating and knew how to swing and wasn't treating their games like there were 5 Kangkang's on the opposing team.
Toph_ [#7]The only thing cap is at fault for is putting John on initiator. Bang has never played this passive in his entire career and is whiffing 70% of his shots. He want's them to stop getting little bro'd and actually start swinging like a team with some of the best firepower, itw like they SHOULD be.
I dont think having john on ini is an issue at all, especially if hes comfortable calling on the role. His calling isnt a massive pain point of the team currently, its the inconsistency and lack of comfortability on their comps which is brought about by Kap throwing away almost everything they pracced in the offseason and pivoting to Tejo on almost all the maps.
Not to mention the constant back and forth shift between regular comps and Tejo comps, how are they gonna fix any of their issues when they cant isolate variables?
XiXiWiiPee [#11]S0m, Valyn Kingg Supamen, Pancada
Not everyone gets to play with Zekken unfortunately
XiXiWiiPee [#11]S0m, Valyn Kingg Supamen, Pancada
Supamen is definitely not in the conversation and Valyn is vastly inconsistent, he has some peaks here and there but he has never been a conversation for best smoker until recently.
Bang has consistently been exceptional and has been getting better and better for this SEN team even around all of these issues that theyre facing.
Ill give you s0m i completely forgot that hes back competing again as well as pancada but Kingg isnt all that
sideshowsbaldhead [#14]pancada valyn s0m supamen xenom kingg
xenom valyn and kingg are not better than Bang.
Valyn needs to put up these performances more consistently if he wants to be called one of the best which as far as weve seen hes on and off
z12 [#13]zander also clears
Zander had 1 peak and now everyone calls him the goat. Zander is great but isnt even in the conversation for top 10 smokes
JustHunter [#16]Supamen is definitely not in the conversation and Valyn is vastly inconsistent, he has some peaks here and there but he has never been a conversation for best smoker until recently.
Bang has consistently been exceptional and has been getting better and better for this SEN team even around all of these issues that theyre facing.
Ill give you s0m i completely forgot that hes back competing again as well as pancada but Kingg isnt all that
Sorry but in what world has Bang been consistently exceptional? On 100T he was literally known for being inconsistent and on SEN so far he has been consistently mid with some good site holds but that's about it
JustHunter [#12]I dont think having john on ini is an issue at all, especially if hes comfortable calling on the role. His calling isnt a massive pain point of the team currently, its the inconsistency and lack of comfortability on their comps which is brought about by Kap throwing away almost everything they pracced in the offseason and pivoting to Tejo on almost all the maps.
Not to mention the constant back and forth shift between regular comps and Tejo comps, how are they gonna fix any of their issues when they cant isolate variables?
I'd agree if that wasn't manageable. DRX G2 VIT and EDG the likely 4 best teams itw have shown that is manageable. It's not that john doesn't look comfortable on tejo granted its not hard to look comfortable on tejo is a simple agent. But John is not aggressive enough to play a role thats meant to support and trade the entry fragger. Tejo enables that play style of just sitting back and saying zekken go kill once you've thrown util which is why in like 6 different rounds narrate and zekken are just dying on site and 3 of our players are just sitting main. There's no decision of holding or taking space which is typically a good idea, especially when you have someone who's proven to be great at lurking like John. There are no layers to this play style. And Nats abused that all throughout the game. Zekken N4rrate and sometimes bang just bailed them out of those situations. And since where literally just sitting main 90% of rounds, it limits the creativity and impact zellsis can have when mid-rounding. It's just one dimensional and sure there are other factors but john being in this role is for sure one of them.
JustHunter [#17]xenom valyn and kingg are not better than Bang.
Valyn needs to put up these performances more consistently if he wants to be called one of the best which as far as weve seen hes on and off
you also said top 5 in the world so i’ll add smoggy mako karon maybe persia keiko k4davra off the top of my head
JustHunter [#3]Mid ass roster:
One of the best IGLs itw (Top 5)
One of the best duelist players itw (Top 8)
One of the best smokes itw (Top 5)
Zellsis
Sometimes one of the best flexes itw (sometimes top 5)
all these top 5's but they got 0-2'd in the most embarrassing way at the first major event of the year
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