Names in the same tier arent in order (this is for all time so don’t call a random duelist bad because they weren’t good this year this is counting how good their prime was too)
Kangkang
Derke
Aspas
Tenz
gap
Demon1
Texture
Yay
Jawgemo
Zekken
huge gap
Cned
Jingg
Something
small gap
Ardiss
Buzz
Keznit
Forsaken
telegrxm [#6]idk about a huge gap between zekken, jing and something
I’d say there is a gap bcs jingg and something were known as the best on their specific agent. Not the best duelist in the world at their prime. Zekken was considered the best when he won Madrid
teilwal [#9]if t0nz is there so is y0y
Yay has 1 and a half good years. Tenz was good for all 4 years of his career
2 trophies is better than 1
elysxxm [#13]Yay has 1 and a half good years. Tenz was good for all 4 years of his career
2 trophies is better than 1
"all time duelist ranking"
kfan4238173 [#12]Cned should be in the group above
His legacy is similar to t3xtures but he had more time at the top
And Tenz should not be a whole gap above demon1 as a duelist. Tenz had one good event and demon1 at Tokyo is better than anything Tenz did in 2021 apart from Reykjavik
I’d rather just move texture down than put cned up. Could just be recent bias I’d be more inclined to put him lower because this year isn’t over yet he could do something
foythvlr [#14]maybe a hot take but jawgemo above cned is americas bias (hell even ardiis is debatable) otherwise good list i think
also tenz as a duelist not really top tier
bro didn't watch EG vs PRX finals, Jaw absolutely won that champs.
ATBSniper [#15]If youre going to include tenz in the league with others. Might as well include one show wonders yay n demon1 too
Yay and demon1 had 1 good year, the 4 above them have been good since they joined the league. Their in a league of their own as of right now
foythvlr [#14]maybe a hot take but jawgemo above cned is americas bias (hell even ardiis is debatable) otherwise good list i think
also tenz as a duelist not really top tier
Cned had good longevity but if I’m also including primes everyone above him had a better peak. Imo I think Jawgemo was better than demon1 in 2023 demon1 just had more hype
south_america_best_region [#18]bro didn't watch EG vs PRX finals, Jaw absolutely won that champs.
i mean cned and jawgemo have a pretty similar track record carreer-wise
jawg might be above cause he didnt win when it was a farmer league but still
elysxxm [#20]Cned had good longevity but if I’m also including primes everyone above him had a better peak. Imo I think Jawgemo was better than demon1 in 2023 demon1 just had more hype
fair enough
Level [#24]chamber is a sentinel agent
Yay was also a generational duelist people forget that way too easily
teilwal [#16]"all time duelist ranking"
Yeah all time includes every single year.
Longevity is also a stat
elysxxm [#26]Yeah all time includes every single year.
Longevity is also a stat
tenz didn’t play duelist for 4 years 😭 bro was in kayo jail for the longest time
elysxxm [#25]Yay was also a generational duelist people forget that way too easily
He was only relevant in the plumbers era. As soon as stronger teams appeared, bro vanished and got demoted from Challengers.
braveD1 [#27]tenz didn’t play duelist for 4 years 😭 bro was in kayo jail for the longest time
So what I’m hearing is tenz played duelist for like 2 years and still has a unbroken record from 2021 and 2 trophies?
Level [#28]He was only relevant in the plumbers era. As soon as stronger teams appeared, bro vanished and got demoted from Challengers.
He went to tier 2 because his post was too large not because he was bad 0/8
We forget he played against the drx team to make it top 3
The miracle top 3 zeta run
Loud 2022
Prime gambit 2021
Fpx 2022
And acend 2021
He was being compared as a rival to tenz back then
elysxxm [#29]So what I’m hearing is tenz played duelist for like 2 years and still has a unbroken record from 2021 and 2 trophies?
y0y almost broke that record the next masters but he had to face prime nats and chronicle in the finals and not boaster mistic and magnum 💀
teilwal [#35]y0y almost broke that record the next masters but he had to face prime nats and chronicle in the finals and not boaster mistic and magnum 💀
Blaster is a top 3 oat igl
Derke is a top 3 oat duelist
If tenz went to 5 maps (which he didn’t need to cuz he swept) he was on track to have a kill record that would still be unbroken today
Almighty [#34]2021: cned > yay
2022: cned < yay
2023: cned > yay
2024: cned > yayCned wins 3-1 all time
Yay’s prime is top 2 all time and if Cned was better in 2021 then it was barely better
elysxxm [#19]Yay and demon1 had 1 good year, the 4 above them have been good since they joined the league. Their in a league of their own as of right now
Tenz only declined as a duelist, while Zekken always played well even as an initiator.
CubeEnjoyer [#33]how tf did ardis sneak in here? bro had 2 good LANs abusing the most broken agent in history
Yeah that’s why ardiss is at the lowest tier bro
Huuuuugo [#38]Tenz only declined as a duelist, while Zekken always played well even as an initiator.
Ok but this is about best duelist not best initiators. Tenz all time is better than zekken all time
elysxxm [#30]He went to tier 2 because his post was too large not because he was bad 0/8
We forget he played against the drx team to make it top 3
The miracle top 3 zeta run
Loud 2022
Prime gambit 2021
Fpx 2022
And acend 2021
He was being compared as a rival to tenz back then
He went to tier 2 because he was ass and caused role issues for C9. Anything he accomplished in 2022 and 2021 was outweighed by how disastrously he played in 2023 and 2024.
south_america_best_region [#3]this is actually good
but keznit is above smth
Keznit has such good longevity but he doesn’t have the accolades to back it up
elysxxm [#37]Yay’s prime is top 2 all time and if Cned was better in 2021 then it was barely better
Did yay win champions in his prime?
Level [#41]He went to tier 2 because he was ass and caused role issues for C9. Anything he accomplished in 2022 and 2021 was outweighed by how disastrously he played in 2023 and 2024.
NO WAY YOU BELIEVE THE ROLE ISSUES EXCUSE. That video is unanimously decided to be bullshit his buyout was massive not role issues. They beat prx bro remember that. And in 2024 it wasn’t even his fault. Sure he could’ve played better but he was the root of the issue
Level [#41]He went to tier 2 because he was ass and caused role issues for C9. Anything he accomplished in 2022 and 2021 was outweighed by how disastrously he played in 2023 and 2024.
All the people on this list are tier 1, so we're not counting his t2 time. C9 is a bum team, if you disagree youre probably also a bum. 2024, bleed was also a bum team. If you disagree with that you are definately a bum
elysxxm [#36]Blaster is a top 3 oat igl
Derke is a top 3 oat duelistIf tenz went to 5 maps (which he didn’t need to cuz he swept) he was on track to have a kill record that would still be unbroken today
Window [#47]If its a DUELIST ranking... tenz is not top 4
He still has the best performance put up by any player in an entire event as a duelist. He didn’t drop a single map as a duelist. He carried the most dominant team in Val history apart from maybe Tokyo fnatic but they dropped maps
Almighty [#43]Did yay win champions in his prime?
That is such a terrible argument. With that logic Zeek is better than chronicle because chronicle lost to him and never won a champs
yxpala [#32]yay peaked with chamber which is not a duelist
We forget he was also a generational duelist before chamber
xtinaburger [#51]jaw getting slipped in when he hasn't done anything for the past year OOOHHH but he has a title from 2 years ago right so that means hes good forever
Are we deadass right now?
Did we just collectively forget what all time means
elysxxm [#50]Did yay win this event?
like i said he had to face prime nats and chronicle, nats, redgar, sheydos, and d3ffo, not "mistic" "magnum" "doma" "boaster" and a rookie d0rke who went -20
teilwal [#54]like i said he had to face prime nats and chronicle, nats, redgar, sheydos, and d3ffo, not "mistic" "magnum" "doma" "boaster" and a rookie d0rke who went -20
If we’re including redgar and d3ffo then surely we include boaster.
Tenz won against a top 3 igl and top 3 duelist on the same team. People forget fnatic were second only to sentinels that year. And if your gonna critique who he played against look was on his team😭
Shazam
Dapr
jakecid [#56]demon1 above people like zekken, jawg, and texture is criminal. he's a jett merchant. we all saw how bad his raze was. he's only good at one duelist. everyone he's above is better as an overall duelist
Yo if we read the very first line of the post it says players in the same tier aren’t in order
elysxxm [#44]NO WAY YOU BELIEVE THE ROLE ISSUES EXCUSE. That video is unanimously decided to be bullshit his buyout was massive not role issues. They beat prx bro remember that. And in 2024 it wasn’t even his fault. Sure he could’ve played better but he was the root of the issue
beating prx without something isn't impressive when you cant even go positive against tsm in challengers
Level [#58]beating prx without something isn't impressive when you cant even go positive against tsm in challengers
Are we talking about the same prx team? The same ones that went map 5 against prime fox in a finals. The same prx that still had jingg and forsaken, the same prx who were a favorite to make top 4?
If we’re discrediting paper Rex with something does that mean fpx win was Mickey Mouse
elysxxm [#55]If we’re including redgar and d3ffo then surely we include boaster.
Tenz won against a top 3 igl and top 3 duelist on the same team. People forget fnatic were second only to sentinels that year. And if your gonna critique who he played against look was on his team😭
Shazam
Dapr
gotta be a new viewer, Redgar one of two people to drop 10 first bloods in a international grand finals and d3ffo was a good entry, also shahzam and dapr were good and in that finals fraudnatic made him look like prime Leo
elysxxm [#48]He still has the best performance put up by any player in an entire event as a duelist. He didn’t drop a single map as a duelist. He carried the most dominant team in Val history apart from maybe Tokyo fnatic but they dropped maps
Right but this is an all time ranking... where longevity matters...
He may have the highest peak, but is not one of the top duelists
teilwal [#61]gotta be a new viewer, Redgar one of two people to drop 10 first bloods in a international grand finals and d3ffo was a good entry, also shahzam and dapr were good and in that finals fraudnatic made him look like prime Leo
He was one of the first there were only like 2 events😭
D3ffo was the worst player out of the 10 in the lobby and Shazam and dapr were nothing without tenz. They weren’t favorites until tenz joined the team
Window [#62]Right but this is an all time ranking... where longevity matters...
He may have the highest peak, but is not one of the top duelists
He was a good duelist for 3 years. Sen performance during 2022 and 2023 does not equate to his preformance.
elysxxm [#49]That is such a terrible argument. With that logic Zeek is better than chronicle because chronicle lost to him and never won a champs
By your logic, this is one of the best roads of all time: https://i.imgur.com/Ig7EiQO.png
teilwal [#54]like i said he had to face prime nats and chronicle, nats, redgar, sheydos, and d3ffo, not "mistic" "magnum" "doma" "boaster" and a rookie d0rke who went -20
Also what’s the point of saying rookie derke when they were all in their 1st year at that point
elysxxm [#13]Yay has 1 and a half good years. Tenz was good for all 4 years of his career
2 trophies is better than 1
All 4 years? Tenz good in 2023? He was worse than mid. Heck even 2022 is debatable
Almighty [#65]By your logic, this is one of the best roads of all time: https://i.imgur.com/Ig7EiQO.png
I don’t even understand what that means
elysxxm [#53]Are we deadass right now?
Did we just collectively forget what all time means
all time doesnt mean good for one tournament then being mid for the rest of time
VacuousViper [#67]All 4 years? Tenz good in 2023? He was worse than mid. Heck even 2022 is debatable
If tenz isn’t top 4 who is above him
meatyyy [#69]all time doesnt mean good for one tournament then being mid for the rest of time
All time includes his peek preformance as well. If we don’t include prime then isn’t aspas the best player in the world right now?
elysxxm [#29]So what I’m hearing is tenz played duelist for like 2 years and still has a unbroken record from 2021 and 2 trophies?
Tenz played duelist for 2 years where he had the highest peak. In a duelist ranking his second trophy doesn't count and his slow fall off is a knock against him
Window [#73]Tenz played duelist for 2 years where he had the highest peak. In a duelist ranking his second trophy doesn't count and his slow fall off is a knock against him
If tenz isn’t top 4 who is above him? Only case in the entire list I can see is Yay. Yay should in a Category of his own now that I think about it. Still below the top 4 tho
Congo1 [#72]tenz had one good event in plumber era. cned clears him
You could have said any player in that tier and you chose Cned 0/8
Congo1 [#72]tenz had one good event in plumber era. cned clears him
facts beating players when they were sh1t does not make t0nz look any good
elysxxm [#63]He was one of the first there were only like 2 events😭
D3ffo was the worst player out of the 10 in the lobby and Shazam and dapr were nothing without tenz. They weren’t favorites until tenz joined the team
sentinels were the best na team before tenz
elysxxm [#70]If tenz isn’t top 4 who is above him
Texture
Jawgemo
Zekken
Any of these.
Its not recency bias, its just that they unlike tenz or yay they were good ON DUELIST for more than a year
(T3Xture is debatable as we need to see this year how he performs but he was good regionally)
You could put cned up there as well if u really wanted to
elysxxm [#68]I don’t even understand what that means
The good section of the road stands for yay’s 2022 season
VacuousViper [#79]Texture
Jawgemo
ZekkenAny of these.
Its not recency bias, its just that they unlike tenz or yay they were good ON DUELIST for more than a year
(T3Xture is debatable as we need to see this year how he performs but he was good regionally)
You could put cned up there as well if u really wanted to
I could see an argument for texture if even he doesn’t do as good as last year but for the others I don’t see it. Zekken and Jawgemo are insane but there are arguments for why they weren’t even the best on their respective team
Jawgemo easily gets overshadowed by demon1 ( I think Jaw is better) and the fact that most people aren’t even sure if he’s above
demon1 is telling
Zekken is more predominantly known as the best on his team but it can still be debatable because if not for tenz zekken doesn’t make it past nrg in kickoff. While tenz has already done it before without zekken
Almighty [#80]The good section of the road stands for yay’s 2022 season
Cned is the same then too no? He was good in 2021 then missed every 2022 event and in 2023 he went out in groups in every event. In 2024 Cned has 1 decent event and he wasn’t even their best player on his team
elysxxm [#83]Cned is the same then too no? He was good in 2021 then missed every 2022 event and in 2023 he went out in groups in every event. In 2024 Cned has 1 decent event and he wasn’t even their best player on his team
Still a lot better than whatever yay did in 23 and 24
Almighty [#85]Still a lot better than whatever yay did in 23 and 24
23 and 24 weren’t even his fault and he didn’t even play duelist in 2024
Twentytwo [#84]Tenz should not be up there, he had 1 good international tournament on duelist and pretty much did nothing until he switched to smokes
He was still a good duelist in 22 and 23 he just didn’t make lans. His records still hold up today and one of them was only recently broken by kangkang
humble_y0y_10k [#82]Derke and Aspas in a tier of their own imo
Maybe. I think if Derke wins another he’s the greatest oat and if I had to change the rankings I would move yay into his own category as well but below the top 4
teilwal [#2]tenz xdddddddddddddddd
LMFAOOO THATS WHAT IM SAYING BRO IS NOT A TOP 4 DUELIST
#SEN T0nZ
Axxore [#89]call me crazy but miniboo should be here prob at the bottom but still
Nah that’s not crazy, I was thinking about adding him but decided not to
cheeseborger [#97]buzz should lowkey be higher. hes been consistently cooking for 4 years but gets held back by zest and stax as well as foxy9
To me buzz and Keznit are the same. They both are proven insanely good and have the longevity but they don’t have the accolades to back it up
elysxxm [#74]If tenz isn’t top 4 who is above him? Only case in the entire list I can see is Yay. Yay should in a Category of his own now that I think about it. Still below the top 4 tho
tenz just belongs in the tier below
elysxxm [#64]He was a good duelist for 3 years. Sen performance during 2022 and 2023 does not equate to his preformance.
He was a really good duelist for a period, but after that he wasn't finding the success with the team or individually too much
elysxxm [#40]Ok but this is about best duelist not best initiators. Tenz all time is better than zekken all time
He never played better than Zekken, do you just watch streams? Tenz was always ShahZaM's shadow, after that he wasn't even better than Oxy.
Huuuuugo [#102]He never played better than Zekken, do you just watch streams? Tenz was always ShahZaM's shadow, after that he wasn't even better than Oxy.
Tenz was Shazam’s shadow? Ight bro ima end the convo here I didn’t know you were baiting
C0nfedant [#101]Tenz only had 1 good year as a duelist get him out of top 4
So did literally everyone below him lmao
Cned has 1 good year
Yay has 1 good year
Demon1 has 1 good year
Jawgemo has 1 good year
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