Koreans on Japanese orgs are bad business

In the long run.

The most important thing for riot is Zeta and DFM to maintain the Japanese viewership. Tier 1 players come from Tier 2 and a failing tier 2 system will produce suboptimal domestic talents.

Japanese doesn't want to watch a full Korean team. But they don't want to watch a losing team either. That means Riot will have to fix the system. Either way import slots will be reduced to 1 unless Korean spies disguised as Japanese orgs complained just like how LCS orgs wanted to remove the import slots

How do you fix it

saebr [#2]

How do you fix it

As simple as reducing import slots to just 1 per team. Speaking fluent Japanese should be mandatory.

Koreans playing on a Japanese team in APAC aren’t imports. If they made it so teams could only pick up one player outside of the orgs country that’d be super unfair to players who live places where they don’t even have representation in a VCT team

TheLegend27 [#4]

Koreans playing on a Japanese team in APAC aren’t imports. If they made it so teams could only pick up one player outside of the orgs country that’d be super unfair to players who live places where they don’t even have representation in a VCT team

I'm talking about VCJ not Pacific.

just to clarify, how the FUCK is a Korean playing on a Japanese team considered an "import"?

delighted [#6]

just to clarify, how the FUCK is a Korean playing on a Japanese team considered an "import"?

Different Nationalities, Koreans come from VCK not VCJ.

saebr [#2]

How do you fix it

By not allowing non-local players in tier 2. It doesn't matter if they will suck for a while because of this. Tier 2 is a stage of gaining experience. How will the local talent grow if they have to face off already developed talents in tryouts? There is zero incentive for the average premier team to even try. They are not winning against Sayaplayer in tryouts. Obviously the person with years of experience will be better. That shouldn't really be the point of tier 2.

The local talents' improvement progress is already slow. Foreign players are only making it slower. It has been 4 years now, it should be abundantly clear that expecting the local talent that already is very shit thanks to not having much an FPS background to magically get better is not the right call. They need coaching, something they can get from a tier 2 team, if they can even get in one.

IonlywatchvcjXD [#7]

Different Nationalities, Koreans come from VCK not VCJ.

can't VCJ just use a format similar to the LCK so that even if the bottom teams suck ass they still get to play a ton of games?

definitely not a healthy thing for JP tier 2 at all. But i wonder if the teams will act on it or not. Would be nice to see JP tier 2 growing IGLs instead of bringing in import IGLs (i love joxjo tho) since only this year i've been seeing some decent improvements in art's calling and have pretty big hopes for CLZ (unless it got mixed up in my head and someone else is igling).

arin2016 [#8]

By not allowing non-local players in tier 2. It doesn't matter if they will suck for a while because of this. Tier 2 is a stage of gaining experience. How will the local talent grow if they have to face off already developed talents in tryouts? There is zero incentive for the average premier team to even try. They are not winning against Sayaplayer in tryouts. Obviously the person with years of experience will be better. That shouldn't really be the point of tier 2.

The local talents' improvement progress is already slow. Foreign players are only making it slower. It has been 4 years now, it should be abundantly clear that expecting the local talent that already is very shit thanks to not having much an FPS background to magically get better is not the right call. They need coaching, something they can get from a tier 2 team, if they can even get in one.

it's more than just that, Japanese newgens don't use PC that much at all, barely anyone plays PC games. Valorant isn't as popular as Apex to the newgens either. Most of the demographics that play Valorant are already in their 20s. Even if the audience is large, the talent pool will still be smaller.

delighted [#9]

can't VCJ just use a format similar to the LCK so that even if the bottom teams suck ass they still get to play a ton of games?

its hard to compare tier 1 to tier 2 when the game is different and challengers need to follow the VCT schedule, so a maximum of 3 splits. the only other way for bottom teams to get more games is 3rd party events but i doubt its easy to organise one in between splits.

IonlywatchvcjXD [#3]

As simple as reducing import slots to just 1 per team. Speaking fluent Japanese should be mandatory.

koreans can speak japanese pretty fluently bc its basically super easy for them to learn

yellow_donkey [#12]

its hard to compare tier 1 to tier 2 when the game is different and challengers need to follow the VCT schedule, so a maximum of 3 splits. the only other way for bottom teams to get more games is 3rd party events but i doubt its easy to organise one in between splits.

VCJ Split 1: MSI qualification format
VCJ Split 2: Worlds qualification format
VCJ Split 3: LCK cup format

IonlywatchvcjXD [#3]

As simple as reducing import slots to just 1 per team. Speaking fluent Japanese should be mandatory.

Koreans can already speak Japanese fluently tho, bro has not watched the DFM voice comms video

delighted [#9]

can't VCJ just use a format similar to the LCK so that even if the bottom teams suck ass they still get to play a ton of games?

You mean like mini franchising? I don't think that solves the problem.

The problem with VCJ rn is lack of commitment and good will. Orgs like Scarz exist while CGZ continues to use their scouting solely for imports. A mini franchising only makes things worse by not providing an org why they should change, in fact doing that now only sort of "rewards" orgs for doing basically nothing.

If the orgs are not moving then riot should. Force their hands into unable to get imports.

delighted [#9]

can't VCJ just use a format similar to the LCK so that even if the bottom teams suck ass they still get to play a ton of games?

.

serot [#13]

koreans can speak japanese pretty fluently bc its basically super easy for them to learn

Not everyone, people forgot about this but Meteor needed Joxjo to translate stuff for him back in Northeption.

I assume Impact got cut off from Sengoku quickly because gwangboong had to translate things for him

And most importantly it's to avoid players like Yoshiii and Yotaa who are japanese but can't speak Japanese, they're basically just imports lol

delighted [#11]

it's more than just that, Japanese newgens don't use PC that much at all, barely anyone plays PC games. Valorant isn't as popular as Apex to the newgens either. Most of the demographics that play Valorant are already in their 20s. Even if the audience is large, the talent pool will still be smaller.

I already know that. That should be an even bigger tell for why the development is so slow. The people are not going to suddenly be more invested in PC gaming, unless there are like 2-3 more quarantines.

delighted [#15]

Koreans can already speak Japanese fluently tho, bro has not watched the DFM voice comms video

Shut up lol I watched them. Akame might have had the best japanese out of all Koreans on VCJ. While jinboong had very thick Korean accent.

yellow_donkey [#10]

definitely not a healthy thing for JP tier 2 at all. But i wonder if the teams will act on it or not. Would be nice to see JP tier 2 growing IGLs instead of bringing in import IGLs (i love joxjo tho) since only this year i've been seeing some decent improvements in art's calling and have pretty big hopes for CLZ (unless it got mixed up in my head and someone else is igling).

They won't but Riot will, they loved viewerships and money more than anything, and the numbers are failing on all fronts.

But yeah it would be nice if there are talented IGL coming from japan.

IonlywatchvcjXD [#16]

You mean like mini franchising? I don't think that solves the problem.

The problem with VCJ rn is lack of commitment and good will. Orgs like Scarz exist while CGZ continues to use their scouting solely for imports. A mini franchising only makes things worse by not providing an org why they should change, in fact doing that now only sort of "rewards" orgs for doing basically nothing.

If the orgs are not moving then riot should. Force their hands into unable to get imports.

maybe don't allow player transfers to immediately happen then?

delighted [#22]

maybe don't allow player transfers to immediately happen then?

You wanna watch IGZIST played like shit for 1 year ?😂😂

That only slows org repairments, it doesn't guarantee that orgs will start looking for domestic talents. In fact, due to the perception that imports are more guaranteed they actually double down on imports because now recruiting players are essentially a long term thing.

Riot needs to implement something that can be guaranteed to force these orgs

arin2016 [#19]

I already know that. That should be an even bigger tell for why the development is so slow. The people are not going to suddenly be more invested in PC gaming, unless there are like 2-3 more quarantines.

shit's not gonna happen, something needs to happen that can convince the newgens to play valorant more. Or just get the really good players who are in their 20s in Tier 2 teams

delighted [#11]

it's more than just that, Japanese newgens don't use PC that much at all, barely anyone plays PC games. Valorant isn't as popular as Apex to the newgens either. Most of the demographics that play Valorant are already in their 20s. Even if the audience is large, the talent pool will still be smaller.

You need to make use of what you have. It's not as if the talent pool is stagnant

Zeta Academy just proved that there are players with potential the orgs haven't touched.
prospects like Keisu and Satwoshi is on their way to next split.