Genuine Question for SEN Haters

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Togex

Genuinely curious, why do you hate SEN?
Is it because of the fanbase? Because they're one of the most popular teams? Because of the players?
As far as I'm aware the org is really generous towards the players and I don't think any of the players have gotten into any big drama, so I'm curious lol

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2022 they were shit and they kinda knew it so lcq was just a content team yet the fanbase was still drooling at any sign of a half decent round and were the loudest people on vlr and ever since them i cant let the hate go

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Togex

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Interesting, started watching vct in 2024 so wasn't around for that
I agree the fanbase can be a bit much sometimes but I feel like its kinda unavoidable given that sen is like the biggest org

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kuruk

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i agree
i was also alot younger back then so i probably couldnt tell the difference between bait/delusion and ppl who were serious lol

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valkin

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sen is cool they just need to not play shit on pearl defense again 🙏🙏

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Togex

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Yeah that game was stressful lmao

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NotSanity

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I love the SEN brand, and also the team, however the fanbase(primarily VLR users) are insufferable, it's comparable to FNC fanbase during 2023, just genuinely insufferable and insanely biased people for the most part, there's a lot of exceptions though.

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Togex

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Yeah for sure I get second hand embarrassment sometimes LMAO

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NotSanity

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I mean, I understand it from a fan point of view, you obviously want your team to succeed and do well, but being obnoxious about it isn't the way to go, I'll still support them regardless of the fanbase though.

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yeah fr like i was an eg meatrider cuz fnc pissed me off

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NotSanity

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Makes sense, I actually supported and cheered for FNC during their 2023 year because I'm from EU too, but jesus the fanbase during that year was genuinely almost if not more as insufferable as the SEN fanbase, it was insanity.

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Such as the henbaby post that happened t-minus 12 minutes ago

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NotSanity

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Link? I've not seen it.

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Clucker

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https://www.vlr.gg/post/4547519/yall-ever-do-this

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NotSanity

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What the fuck.

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we do not claim henbaby.

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Clucker

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https://www.vlr.gg/post/4547519/yall-ever-do-this

Meant for the dude above u

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jawn

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yes we do

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localkoolkid

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fans, don't like the Riot inner circle (TenZ, Tarik, Kyedae, etc...) and they were overrated for ages.

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kuruk

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tarik watch parties were so goated before he got signed💔

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yea he only seems to care about SEN games which i understand but atleast try to care about other games for ur viewers

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PrincePuma01

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Bro doesn't even pay attention tho. He'll do everything but pay attention to the actual game

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Cerati

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yea, we just hate the fanbase. players, and org are so cool

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raavv

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i'm not a hater but it is very easy to root for the other team when one side has very loud obnoxious fans who over-hype their players at every opportunity and shove it down everyones' throats. i like the org, i like the players, even rob himself is quite likeable but man do the sen lovers make this team hard to like as a neutral

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this is such a insecure and immature view tbh

if i paid that much to see my favorite team play i would make their screams look childlike in comparison but idk 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

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DSGFan

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The issue is paying that much to see your favorite team play. There is nothing wrong with raavv's take

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valkin

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so you dont like sen fans paying to see their team play? 😭😭

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People are free to do what they want with their money. I think it's stupid, but whatever.

They use the amount of money they pay as an excuse to be the most obnoxious people in the VCT fanbase. I'm not talking about the live match fans. I'm talking about the people who buy all the merch and purchase whatever the fuck sen society is. And then they jump into any online discussion and act insufferable.

Look at the most obnoxious users/baiters on this site. They are sen fans, or baiters who flair as sen fans bc they know being a sen fan is an easy to cover up the fact that they are baiting.

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raavv

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i'm primarily not talking about the people in live broadcast who paid to watch but the online fans. never said cheering is bad i'm not sure how that was your takeaway but i guess people see what they want

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valkin

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"has very loud obnoxious fans who over-hype their players at every opportunity and shove it down everyones' throats."

but if thats your point it's fair

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raavv

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yeah but nobody on live broadcast really does that it's the people on valorant media/social media (vlr, twitch, youtube, twitter, discord etc). more or less also the same answer basically every other person in this thread is giving

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i honestly asked myself the same question a while ago and yeah gotta say its the fan base, the fan basesmatter quite a lot in lol i was quite a t1 hater for long while but the fan base converted me to even like them a bit (a bit)

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Its definitely the fanbase

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Well I was a big fan until 2025 (I was a big fan on Tenz Zellsis Sacy and Pancada), but in 2025 I have a major dislike for them (minus zellsis) because of how much they win and how annoying their fanbase is. Like so far this year they havent played great or even good. They are just winning because they are beating teams worse than them and having hero rounds by certain players-their actual strats and calls are shit, and we could see it when they went against G2. This by itself would be annoying but wouldnt cause me to hate, but that paired with the fans glazing the shit out of them calling them the best while they are just a bad team playing against horrible teams makes me hate them.

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I love how Sen tries new stuffs, like how they are using Tejo-Yoru so much, also the players are cool and all, but I despise the fanbase to death.

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fanbase
i think rob moore being a genuine fan and involved in the scene is really cool
and i like all of their current players as well as sacy (fuck t0nz tho that guy keeps complaining about this game)
but their fans are insufferable

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DSGFan

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100% the fan base. It's even worse than peak 2023 fnatic fans because at least those bandwagoners disappeared when Fnatic lost. These guys are just always there, being annoying AF.