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Why do people hate single elimination

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#1
KClaw

In valorant, we have the same playoffs format which is double elim for both masters and champs , i think you could keep double elim in champs but switch up a little bit in masters making it like Top 8 teams in a single elimination BO5 format just like how worlds does, i don't even know why people cry over single elimination format cause if u can't perform when the moment needs you to and want to say it's too punishing of a format, then you don't deserve the crown of the best team imo.

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This format prevents multiple matches for being played in a day, assuming it uses a single stream. This would drag out the length of masters events in an already cramped schedule.

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thats what makes it mickey mouse, outcome for worlds will be much different and thats what makes it fun

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I don't hate single elim, but double elim is a better format for actually determining the best team.

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easier to fluke

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ShuGo
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i like more matches .

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KClaw
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froggy_lol [#2]

This format prevents multiple matches for being played in a day, assuming it uses a single stream. This would drag out the length of masters events in an already cramped schedule.

Yes obviously but masters playoffs will almost in normal double elimination almost takes same time ( Shanghai) like maybe put the two games in one day for the first two days and then give a day break for each day not too bad u know? Atleast gives a different feel of watching rather then the same double elim

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PRX would have 2 trophies rn if the format is single elimination. Do you want to live in a world where this team has 2 trophies?

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KClaw
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StutterSt3p [#4]

I don't hate single elim, but double elim is a better format for actually determining the best team.

Explain? Also keeping champs in double elim, watching too much double elim gets boring plus single elimination BO5 is best test as tests map pool of teams endurance , mental and the ability to perform at that moment

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Simp4S0m [#8]

PRX would have 2 trophies rn if the format is single elimination. Do you want to live in a world where this team has 2 trophies?

The Cove incident wouldn't've happened if the format was single elimination. Do you want to live in a world where the Cove incident didn't happen?

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KClaw
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svln_the_fourth [#5]

easier to fluke

But harder to win as well the overall tournament u know

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Simp4S0m
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cloudberry [#10]

The Cove incident wouldn't've happened if the format was single elimination. Do you want to live in a world where the Cove incident didn't happen?

Exactly! That incident is the best meme incident in vct history. We don’t wanna live in that world

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Aayan
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I think the opposite tbh
https://www.vlr.gg/416420/hot-take

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KClaw
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cloudberry [#10]

The Cove incident wouldn't've happened if the format was single elimination. Do you want to live in a world where the Cove incident didn't happen?

Maybe yeah

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Simp4S0m [#12]

Exactly! That incident is the best meme incident in vct history. We don’t wanna live in that world

If groups were also single elimination, NRG would've only lost 0-2 to BLG. Would you rather live in a world where NRG get 0-2'd or 0-4'd?

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KClaw [#7]

Yes obviously but masters playoffs will almost in normal double elimination almost takes same time ( Shanghai) like maybe put the two games in one day for the first two days and then give a day break for each day not too bad u know? Atleast gives a different feel of watching rather then the same double elim

Maybe you could have one masters event be this format? Because I agree that it would be cool to see.

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cloudberry [#15]

If groups were also single elimination, NRG would've only lost 0-2 to BLG. Would you rather live in a world where NRG get 0-2'd or 0-4'd?

True, well we actually got lucky that NRG were having internal problems and our duelist whzy had a life game. I think most of our clutch were lucky too like when our viper Yosemite killed both of them while blinded by the wall. But we are happy that we 0-4’d a great team like NRG and because of that we have an accomplishment in our vct career as a team. Without that incident we would just be nothing and considered a trash team.

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Simp4S0m [#17]

True, well we actually got lucky that NRG were having internal problems and our duelist whzy had a life game. I think most of our clutch were lucky too like when our viper Yosemite killed both of them while blinded by the wall. But we are happy that we 0-4’d a great team like NRG and because of that we have an accomplishment in our vct career as a team. Without that incident we would just be nothing and considered a trash team.

when did you get your ikea game on

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Azzelastia
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Simp4S0m [#8]

PRX would have 2 trophies rn if the format is single elimination. Do you want to live in a world where this team has 2 trophies?

Grand Finals would have been BO5 and EG still clears there.

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no room for showing improvements in a rematch and also no chance for an underdog story

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KClaw
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cloudberry [#15]

If groups were also single elimination, NRG would've only lost 0-2 to BLG. Would you rather live in a world where NRG get 0-2'd or 0-4'd?

No that's the point people say single elimination provides opportunity for fluke but that's where the BO5 comes in, bad team can't fluke a BO5 but can fluke a BO3 because a bad team won't have that good of a map pool or won't have that much endurance, stamina or mental to play a complete BO5

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KClaw [#21]

No that's the point people say single elimination provides opportunity for fluke but that's where the BO5 comes in, bad team can't fluke a BO5 but can fluke a BO3 because a bad team won't have that good of a map pool or won't have that much endurance, stamina or mental to play a complete BO5

So you're saying BLG would've 3-0'd NRG

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WiseCrack3R [#20]

no room for showing improvements in a rematch and also no chance for an underdog story

Aaaha brooo I told keep it in champs , one tourney is enough for underdog story keep a different format in masters to stir up

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Azzelastia [#19]

Grand Finals would have been BO5 and EG still clears there.

Nah if the upper finals was a BO5, PRX woulda cleared them that day. EG only learned to play against them after losing to them

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Aayan [#18]

when did you get your ikea game on

What

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Aayan
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Simp4S0m [#25]

What

What's up with your flag

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Simp4S0m
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Aayan [#26]

What's up with your flag

I’m Swedish obviously. You making fun of Sweden?

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KClaw
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cloudberry [#22]

So you're saying BLG would've 3-0'd NRG

No opposite blg would have lost if it was a BO5

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cloudberry [#15]

If groups were also single elimination, NRG would've only lost 0-2 to BLG. Would you rather live in a world where NRG get 0-2'd or 0-4'd?

Groups are very different, I care more about double elim in groups than playoffs

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last time we had a single elim major tournament, Fraudnatic won a mickey mouse tournament called lockin

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cloudberry [#10]

The Cove incident wouldn't've happened if the format was single elimination. Do you want to live in a world where the Cove incident didn't happen?

ye, since nrg wouldve placed top 8
if they did then they wouldnt even be considered a top 2023 team (people used their 4th in masters to say they still did good despite champs) so ye, its better anyways :nerd:

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