Real China ranking for 2025

1. EDG
   ---------- Medium gap ----------
2. WOL (Could switch with TE)
3. TE (Could switch with WOL)
4. BLG (Could still troll and have a low placement)
   ---------- Medium- High gap ----------
5. FPX (Space for improvement but for now 5th place)
6. XLG (They are kinda like the G2 in VCT CN)
7. NOVA (Whoever said cb and swerl doesn't belong in Tier one is a bum)
8. JDG (I believe in Sword9 and Stew)
9. DRG (I'm glad that they got rid of shion7 but cangshu and spritz needs more practice and confidence)
   ---------- High gap ----------
10. TEC (Haodong is a disappointment so far)
11. AG (No one on the squad is really impressive)
12. TYLOO (I dont think they locked in their roster yet but its safe to bet that they would be dead last in 2025)

Best Sentinel: CHICHOO
Best Controller: Smoggy/ Luok1ng (If he keeps up with his Champs performance)
Best duelist: KangKang/ Life (Needs resources and assist from his team)/ Whzy (Only if BLG gets a high placement)
Best initiator: s1mon/ Nobody
Best IGL: Nobody (Any1 else is unmatchable)
Best coach: Muggle/ Bail

Bangkok: EDG/TE or WOL
Toronto: EDG/FPX/WOL
Paris: EDG/WOL/TE/BLG (Points)

Record against Americas: 50 percent winrate
Against Emea: 30 percent winrate
Against Pacific: 70 percent winrate

Here's what I've got:

1. EDG
2. WOL
3. XLG
4. TE
5. BLG
6. FPX
7. DRG
8. NOVA
9. JDG
10. TYL
11. TEC
12. AG

cloudberry [#2]

Here's what I've got:

1. EDG
2. WOL
3. XLG
4. TE
5. BLG
6. FPX
7. DRG
8. NOVA
9. JDG
10. TYL
11. TEC
12. AG

Fair enough

LOL You are a bot! You are not a real China fan
Stop fake flagging you faker

what’s the deal with wolves

are they cooking this off season? they were mid as hell last season so what changed

shrike- [#5]

what’s the deal with wolves

are they cooking this off season? they were mid as hell last season so what changed

They got Fayde (goat APAC coach) and Lysoar, and they're also likely getting grumble in a bit (at least I think it's grumble. All I remember is it was a DSG player) Juicy

They've also played in two offseason tournaments (WALL-E and FGC) and got 1st and 2nd respectively

shrike- [#5]

what’s the deal with wolves

are they cooking this off season? they were mid as hell last season so what changed

Lysoar looks insane + Spring is cooking on neon (Even tho Neon is getting nerfed but he is a decent player) + Juicy is a very experienced player

real list

1. EDG
2. WOL
3. BLG
4. Trace
5. FPX
6. NOVA
7. JDG (would go up if they swapped jkuro out)
8. Tyloo
9. TEC
10. DRG
11. XLG
12. AG

drain_angel [#8]

real list

1. EDG
2. WOL
3. BLG
4. Trace
5. FPX
6. NOVA
7. JDG (would go up if they swapped jkuro out)
8. Tyloo
9. TEC
10. DRG
11. XLG
12. AG

XLG in 11th, list invalid

also, LuoK1ng had a good champs but i wouldnt put him top 3 controllers in CN honestly

drain_angel [#8]

real list

1. EDG
2. WOL
3. BLG
4. Trace
5. FPX
6. NOVA
7. JDG (would go up if they swapped jkuro out)
8. Tyloo
9. TEC
10. DRG
11. XLG
12. AG

Why the hell is Tyloo above TEC DRG and XLG

H3ENnZ [#4]

LOL You are a bot! You are not a real China fan
Stop fake flagging you faker

what’s wrong with the list

catNmouse [#12]

what’s wrong with the list

I felt like bullying my little brother today

honestly useful thank you number1_cn_fan

drain_angel [#10]

also, LuoK1ng had a good champs but i wouldnt put him top 3 controllers in CN honestly

Luok1ng was playing like a bum in China but played like a god in Champs but i still have faith in him

saynotoherpes [#14]

honestly useful thank you number1_cn_fan

Your welcome saynotoherpes cool AK flair

AG above tyloo is interesting

peetherium [#17]

AG above tyloo is interesting

Only one in TYLOO that I think is at tier one is ninebody
But AG has actual experienced player

TYLOO last?
Mans just guessing

1. EDG
2. WOL (replacing V1ya with a better player means they're 100% going to be a top 3 team for CN)
3. TE (I see this team only improving)
4. BLG (they look rejuvenated)
5. FPX (have the talent to be the best in the region, but they've looked off since Shanghai)
6. XLG (lacking firepower, but I could see them having solid results)
7. NOVA (they can shoot, but lack a great coach or igl to really tie things together)
8. JDG (hard to judge right now, could be higher)
9. DRG (I don't see them having great results)
10. AG (this roster is a downgrade)
11. TEC (firepower isn't there, whole team needs to be rebuilt around rb and haodong)
12. TYLOO (the leftovers, had no idea how to utilize their players and repeatedly switched them out, hope its different next year but off season hasn't changed my mind)

International wise

1. Edg
   GAP
   GAP
   GAP
   GAP
   GAP
2. Any team with biank
   GAP
   the rest

this is some anti-tyloo propaganda
you know that they played with a coach in offseason right?
and they still managed to win a game
what i’m saying is at least put us to 11😭

DrudaL [#21]

International wise

1. Edg
   GAP
   GAP
   GAP
   GAP
   GAP
2. Any team with biank
   GAP
   the rest

accurate asf lmao

Life is a yoru and jett one trick, cannot play raze for the life of him let alone neon. he’s good but his agent pool is so bad

H3ENnZ [#4]

LOL You are a bot! You are not a real China fan
Stop fake flagging you faker

Isn't faker korean?

zmjjkkkkkkk [#24]

Life is a yoru and jett one trick, cannot play raze for the life of him let alone neon. he’s good but his agent pool is so bad

his yoru ain’t even that special too, fpx coach keep forcing it for some reason

number1_cn_fan [#18]

Only one in TYLOO that I think is at tier one is ninebody
But AG has actual experienced player

I think Eren's really good. I'm a fan of hfmi0dzjc9z7 as well, his util's great

number1_cn_fan [#18]

Only one in TYLOO that I think is at tier one is ninebody
But AG has actual experienced player

personally I don't really think it'll matter unless Septem and X3B prove competent at leading the team. Q9 wasn't abysmal or anything but they were still unorganized af and i don't like what that implies. I think by end of the season Tyloo will level up, or at least more than AG

charleser [#20]

1. EDG
2. WOL (replacing V1ya with a better player means they're 100% going to be a top 3 team for CN)
3. TE (I see this team only improving)
4. BLG (they look rejuvenated)
5. FPX (have the talent to be the best in the region, but they've looked off since Shanghai)
6. XLG (lacking firepower, but I could see them having solid results)
7. NOVA (they can shoot, but lack a great coach or igl to really tie things together)
8. JDG (hard to judge right now, could be higher)
9. DRG (I don't see them having great results)
10. AG (this roster is a downgrade)
11. TEC (firepower isn't there, whole team needs to be rebuilt around rb and haodong)
12. TYLOO (the leftovers, had no idea how to utilize their players and repeatedly switched them out, hope its different next year but off season hasn't changed my mind)

Am i crazy if I say that NOVA's coach isn't bad? Their comps are weird af but it honestly just seems like they're going the Talon route and trying to play their own game. They look like a slightly sloppier PRX with better mechanics (and therefore a higher ceiling) to me tbh