Not trying to be rude, just want to understand. Game Changers is for Females + other Marginalized genders. Most players are Females, then there are players like Flourocent who are transitioning, but what are Starbound and evv? They are not females, nor they are transitioning, then what are they?
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Blueberry77 [#4]Wdym florocent is transitioning
Originally is what male?
she was originally your mom
moomoomoomeadows [#6]she was originally your mom
What are you mad for im asking a good question here
Prasinos [#3]GC is for people for another genders to compete and show their skills.
Bc its very hard to one of they to join a male straight team due to misogyny.
its not due to misogyny, its due to them being not good enough
lxolotl [#11]its not due to misogyny, its due to them being not good enough
wasn't there a literal report of mel trialing for a team and not getting picked up because one of the players didn't want her on?
lxolotl [#11]its not due to misogyny, its due to them being not good enough
Its not only due to misogyny but misogyny would still play a pretty large role
AlexSMTx [#2]They identify as nonbinary most likely. They don't have to be women or trans women to be in the league. RIOT sees NB as a marginalized gender too so they can play.
If they want to separate genders then why would they make women + nb in one category? why not make comp for NB only?
Kinda unfair to the ladies if u ask me
jawn [#12]wasn't there a literal report of mel trialing for a team and not getting picked up because one of the players didn't want her on?
regardless of that, shes still not a tier 1 level player
Stormyv8 [#15]If they want to separate genders then why would they make women + nb in one category? why not make comp for NB only?
Kinda unfair to the ladies if u ask me
can you tell me where you read that riot splitted valorant scene in men and women? because gc isnt that at all
koromast [#18]where is the gap at?
idk what ur asking me, but at the current moment in time, there is not a single tier 1 level gc player, I hope this changes so that gc becomes interesting to watch
lxolotl [#16]regardless of that, shes still not a tier 1 level player
there is literally no way for you to know that unless she joins a tier 1 team and we see how she performs
koromast [#17]can you tell me where you read that riot splitted valorant scene in men and women? because gc isnt that at all
Ok I might misunderstood then, but so what's the point of making game changers if not for dividing men / other gender ?
Then if it is, then why are women put in the same category as non-binary ?
lxolotl [#19]idk what ur asking me, but at the current moment in time, there is not a single tier 1 level gc player, I hope this changes so that gc becomes interesting to watch
this is objectively wrong, you are thinking "tier 1 player" as in demon1 aspas t3xture, but there is much worses players than that on tier 1
koromast [#22]this is objectively wrong, you are thinking "tier 1 player" as in demon1 aspas t3xture, but there is much worses players than that on tier 1
no? LMFAO
i am thinking of any and every tier 1 player that played in the last season, I simply cannot find a reason why you would pick gc players instead of ''regular'' players
Stormyv8 [#21]Ok I might misunderstood then, but so what's the point of making game changers if not for dividing men / other gender ?
Then if it is, then why are women put in the same category as non-binary ?
what's the point of making game changers if not for dividing men / other gender ?
Because they thought it was harder for non-straight male individuals to get into competitive since 99% of teams are 5 straight guys. So they made GC where everyone else that wasn't in the straight guy category could get an easier entry where they wouldn't be judged and stuff. Let's remember the olddddd drama from a year (or 2 years back? I don't remember) where it was said that SR meL couldn't get a tryout for a team because allegedly one of the players did not feel comfortable playing with a woman.
Prasinos [#3]GC is for people for another genders to compete and show their skills.
Bc its very hard to one of they to join a male straight team due to misogyny.
"I dont want this type of people close to me".
"Hell nah, these gays is annoying asf, I want distance beetwhen they"
"Find another dude, I dont want these dick suckers in my team".
"If he joins I quit, no one likes this type of people, even their father dislike they, thats why they was abandoned when they was child and turned in these type of creatures".
Words commonly said of my football teammates, of why they didn't wanted a LGBT in your team, even when we was lacking defenders and these 2 dudes, was the best deffenders of my city.
It is mainly due to misogyny.
Prasinos [#26]"I dont want this type of people close to me".
"Hell nah, these gays is annoying asf, I want distance beetwhen they"
"Find another dude, I dont want these dick suckers in my team".
"If he joins I quit, no one likes this type of people, even their father dislike they, thats why they was abandoned when they was child and turned in these type of creatures".
Words commonly said of my football teammates, of why they didn't wanted a LGBT in your team, even when we was lacking defenders and these 2 dudes, was the best deffenders of my city.
It is mainly due to misogyny.
Ok but allowing everyone but cisgender males is stupid and it doesn't help that the top fraggers are trans or nonbinary. GC is to show how good women AND marginalized genders are but if those marginalized genders are so much better than the women. The major concept of the whole thing is going away.
poohchoHAHA [#27]Ok but allowing everyone but cisgender males is stupid and it doesn't help that the top fraggers are trans or nonbinary. GC is to show how good women AND marginalized genders are but if those marginalized genders are so much better than the women. The major concept of the whole thing is going away.
Its not true that every game mvp is a transgender, looking for the last GC matches, all the mvps was womens.
And competion isnt about of showing how good some gender is, competion its self explanatory, compete. Being good is a side effect of you tier.
Isnt about giving space so they can be showing how good or strong they are, its about giving space so they can compete in their category, just compete, like box light and heavy tier.
Prasinos [#28]Its not true that every game mvp is a transgender, looking for the last GC matches, all the mvps was womens.
And competion isnt about of showing how good some gender is, competion its self explanatory, compete. Being good is a side effect of you tier.
Isnt about giving space so they can be showing how good or strong they are, its about giving space so they can compete in their category, just compete, like box light and heavy tier.
Maybe i didnt phrase myself good i am not saying every mvp is trans but look flor is trans and isbest GC player , Srn is trans and carries almost every game that mbir plays tbh i dont watch GC normally so i dont know anymore names so maybe there are more
But the thing i have bigger problem with is that most nonbinary people can play in tier 3 valorant is very accepting game its not cs majority of them are not dating men or paining nails they are living normal men life but just taking women spots for roaster. i think there was player bob that was non binary and he went to challengers and was trash but in gc was mediocre. They are just taking women spots
poohchoHAHA [#30]Maybe i didnt phrase myself good i am not saying every mvp is trans but look flor is trans and isbest GC player , Srn is trans and carries almost every game that mbir plays tbh i dont watch GC normally so i dont know anymore names so maybe there are more
But the thing i have bigger problem with is that most nonbinary people can play in tier 3 valorant is very accepting game its not cs majority of them are not dating men or paining nails they are living normal men life but just taking women spots for roaster. i think there was player bob that was non binary and he went to challengers and was trash but in gc was mediocre. They are just taking women spots
What u said can be happening, but itsnt the vast majority, just bc a player isnt dating, doesnt mean they arent that gender, its like saying you are gay bc u are 18 and doesnt have a gf.
It can happen, but when you take this as the vast majority, you are marginalizing the real LGBT players that are in gc.
Its a Esport, injustice happens both in GC and main stream, but as all sport, its about giving a space to compete, even with injustices.
CoCloudy [#20]there is literally no way for you to know that unless she joins a tier 1 team and we see how she performs
i mean what role will she play tho?, most players who get picked upf or T1 have proven themselves in tier 2 or veterans of the game. she cant igl her team against pug teams so hows she gonna fit in T1, everything is not misogyny.
jawn [#12]wasn't there a literal report of mel trialing for a team and not getting picked up because one of the players didn't want her on?
Have you checked her tracker? She isn't fit for even tier 3
StromLight [#33]Have you checked her tracker? She isn't fit for even tier 3
we got mfs with 300 tracker score in vct
incidmoir [#32]i mean what role will she play tho?, most players who get picked upf or T1 have proven themselves in tier 2 or veterans of the game. she cant igl her team against pug teams so hows she gonna fit in T1, everything is not misogyny.
first
didnt even say that it was due to misogyny
and second, why not just give them the benefit of the doubt? demon1 was available every year before 2023 but that was the year he actually got a chance to prove himself in tier 1. And there are countless examples of supossedly "good" players not performing due to issues relating to the team as a whole. Mel or other gc players could perform exceptionally better if around other non gc pros. Main point being top gc players are still deserving of chances to prove themselves just as much as any other non gc player.
We will never know how good a pro is in a certain team untill it actually happens
CoCloudy [#35]first
didnt even say that it was due to misogyny
and second, why not just give them the benefit of the doubt? demon1 was available every year before 2023 but that was the year he actually got a chance to prove himself in tier 1. And there are countless examples of supossedly "good" players not performing due to issues relating to the team as a whole. Mel or other gc players could perform exceptionally better if around other non gc pros. Main point being top gc players are still deserving of chances to prove themselves just as much as any other non gc player.We will never know how good a pro is in a certain team untill it actually happens
demon1? he got picked up by dsg but eg did a luis figo(without the rivalry part obv) and signed him. every single pro in T1 has proved themselves in T2 or are veterans as i said, if a player like Mel or an other GC player cant win against pug teams when they have been together as a team more then the newly formed teams whats the point of trying to trial them, the only player i acn think of who seems even semi decent in GC is flor and he/she even struggles against pug teams. (STREETS WILL REMEMBER SONOFCAR https://www.vlr.gg/298268/shopify-rebellion-vs-1337-challengers-league-2024-north-america-qualifiers-oq-1-top-32-lr4 )
AlexSMTx [#25]what's the point of making game changers if not for dividing men / other gender ?
Because they thought it was harder for non-straight male individuals to get into competitive since 99% of teams are 5 straight guys. So they made GC where everyone else that wasn't in the straight guy category could get an easier entry where they wouldn't be judged and stuff. Let's remember the olddddd drama from a year (or 2 years back? I don't remember) where it was said that SR meL couldn't get a tryout for a team because allegedly one of the players did not feel comfortable playing with a woman.
I remember that LMAO, did they ever found out who was the player?
Cheasle2 [#5]I think Starbound and evv are non-binary
What is a non-binary, do you need to take something like HRT to become a non-binary or do you just identify as non-binary?
lxolotl [#11]its not due to misogyny, its due to them being not good enough
prasinos is not wrong tho. even if a woman was good enough itd be harder for them to join a team because its not been done before
AlexSMTx [#2]They identify as nonbinary most likely. They don't have to be women or trans women to be in the league. RIOT sees NB as a marginalized gender too so they can play.
What is a non-binary, do you need to take something like HRT to become a non-binary or do you just identify as non-binary?
Jihan03 [#38]What is a non-binary, do you need to take something like HRT to become a non-binary or do you just identify as non-binary?
nah you don't need to but a lot of enbys do hrt to look more androgynous.
AlexSMTx [#25]what's the point of making game changers if not for dividing men / other gender ?
Because they thought it was harder for non-straight male individuals to get into competitive since 99% of teams are 5 straight guys. So they made GC where everyone else that wasn't in the straight guy category could get an easier entry where they wouldn't be judged and stuff. Let's remember the olddddd drama from a year (or 2 years back? I don't remember) where it was said that SR meL couldn't get a tryout for a team because allegedly one of the players did not feel comfortable playing with a woman.
why wasting time for tier 5 player when there is lot tier 2 players. she carried by bob and then florescent and complaining deserve tier 1
eva_3 [#23]Why are you not allowed to compete in gc if it's female -> male transition.
because trans men technically are men and men are not allowed to compete in game changers, but yeah that rule is dumb asf and should be removed
Cheasle2 [#41]nah you don't need to but a lot of enbys do hrt to look more androgynous.
So technically any person can just identify as non-binary and play in the GC no?
Stormyv8 [#21]Ok I might misunderstood then, but so what's the point of making game changers if not for dividing men / other gender ?
Then if it is, then why are women put in the same category as non-binary ?
the "men's league" isn't exclusive to men; women aren't required to play in GC they just generally do.
poohchoHAHA [#30]Maybe i didnt phrase myself good i am not saying every mvp is trans but look flor is trans and isbest GC player , Srn is trans and carries almost every game that mbir plays tbh i dont watch GC normally so i dont know anymore names so maybe there are more
But the thing i have bigger problem with is that most nonbinary people can play in tier 3 valorant is very accepting game its not cs majority of them are not dating men or paining nails they are living normal men life but just taking women spots for roaster. i think there was player bob that was non binary and he went to challengers and was trash but in gc was mediocre. They are just taking women spots
bob’s not enby, she’s trans and still is - just playing coed
https://www.vlr.gg/314901/m80-vs-sad-esports-challengers-league-2024-north-america-stage-1-w2
positive in a stomp against prob the best NA challs team.
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