REAL 2025 Tierlist pt2

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I made a tierlist for vct 2025 a while ago just giving my opinion on what I saw about the teams, it wasn't a very well received topic, they just needed to dox me, anyway, after a while, with some new changes and other championships going on, I decided to do a part 2 and change some things in the tierlist

^ = teams that moved up in the tierlist
˅= teams teams that dropped positions in the tierlist

If you have any opinion that differs from mine, I would like to hear it.

VCT Americas 2025

G2^ (They already had a strong line, they were already one of the best teams in the Americas, with Jawgemo they will be much better)
100T^
Sentinels˅ (good line, maybe if they didn't have Zellsis they could be better)
LEV/NRG/MIBR^ (They are three very strong lines, I have big doubts between the three)
LEV/NRG/MIBR^
LEV NRG/MIBR^
FURIA^ (Heat, mwzera, Khalil, and the best Brazilian tier 2 IGL, three-time Brazilian Valorant champion, in addition to Peu, two-time Brazilian Valorant champion coach. Will surprise everyone)
KRU
LOUD˅ (They could have put together a better line)
2G (I wouldn't be surprised if they were higher up)
EG˅ (Compared to others in the Americas, the line is weak, they're just not in last place because Potter is a great coach)
C9˅ (weak line and worse staff than eg, just because of that they are the worst)

VCT EMEA 2025

TH (very strong and integrated line, will do better than the super Vitality)
FNC (Kaajak is very good, it could even be better than Derke)
Vitality(good line, but the history of super teams is not very good in Valorant, NRG 2023 and 2024 know this well)
KC
FUT^ (xeus is a very good player)
GiantX^ (westside, purp0 and tomaszy, these guys are going to surprise)
NAVI˅ (The M80 chokers were a good acquisition, besides Hiro who is a great player, my only doubt is about ANGE1, I don't think he is yet at a great level for tier 1)
BBL^ (I saw their last games this off season, and their players look very good, looking forward to seeing more)
Gentle Mates^ (Good line and good coach, I wouldn't be surprised if they were higher)
TL˅ (Patitek and Nats will become Noah and carry a bunch of animals)
KOI^ (I think they could have put together a better line, this Soulcas and Sheydos in 2021 would be good, in 2024 they don't give me confidence)
Apeks˅ (Really, looking at it now, I see that the remaining players don't have such a high level for tier 1, Fit1nho and Lime will have to play very well to take this team to higher positions)

VCT Pacific 2025

Gen.G (It will still be the best Korean team in the world)
Paper Rex (I think it's crazy to say that PRX is washed, they still have a lot of rapport, their problem is not knowing when to stop rushing)
T1 (good line, but bad staff)
Talon^ (I thought Talon would be carried by Primmie, but the whole team has been playing well in the off seasons)
RRQ˅
DRX (I thought the new players wouldn't be as good as the previous ones, but seeing their latest games, they'll probably be much better than most think)
ZETA Division^ (I was very surprised by their performance on RedBull HomeGround)
Sin Prisa Gaming (They played Ascension very well, they might surprise)
Team Secret˅
Global Esports (UdoTan is a much better player than I thought he was, Kr1stal we all know is very good, about the Filipino players on the team, I'm still not very convinced)
Detonation FocusMe^ (Maybe they will be better, my only problem with them is the staff that doesn't change)
BOOM Esports˅ (the worst line in the pacific unfortunately)

VCT China 2025

EDG (still the best team in China)
FPX
Wolves^ (I already thought they would be good next year, but after their performance last off-season, I believe they can be even better)
Trace Esports
Nova Esports^ (I thought they would be much worse, their players surprised me a lot)
Xi Lai Gaming^ (another team that surprised me in the off season, they could be even better)
DRG˅ (Performance much worse than expected in the off seasons)
All Gamers^ (They also surprised me at the WALL-E Cup)
Bilibili Gaming˅ (Without Yosemite they will be nothing)
JD Gaming˅ (Stew is another Noah, carrying a bunch of animals)
Tyloo^ (They are bad, but not as bad as TEC)
TEC˅ (As much as I think that over time they can be better because they have a good coach and a good line, they really disappointed me in this WALL-E Cup, I hope I'm wrong and that they are much better)

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Cabo_

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Not a bad list I see you put some thought into this but I think ur underrating EG still

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bfrparker

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maybe they could be better, Potter lives up to his name and is magical, I don't doubt they will surprise

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cloudberry

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"just because of potter, the line is weak"
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askrial

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i think they meant to say "isn't weak" right guys?
they're not an idiot right guys?

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cloudberry

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Here's to hoping

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bfrparker

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I don't think the players are bad, I just believe that compared to other Americas lines, they are worse, are you going to tell me that EG's line is stronger than LEV's for example? I don't think so

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askrial

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nonono i mean that you are disrespecting one of the best coaches itw lol.

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bfrparker

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NO BRO, you got it wrong, the only reason the team isn't in last place is because Potter is there, Potter is the best coach in history, the team isn't weak because of her, quite the opposite

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Laundry

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bro please edit and change that 😭it really seems like ur just hating on potter

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bfrparker

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ok man, ty

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askrial

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thanks thats all i was implying lol.

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bfrparker

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I didn't understand before hahahhaha, ty

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askrial

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npnp

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bfrparker

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in my opinion only Supamen and Sym have a great level for tier 1, derrek, naturE and especially yay stopped in time, NA teams have a lot of players to sign, but instead they prefer to scrap older players, as is the case with EG and Cloud9, these teams didn't have much success last year, I think the right thing would be for them to give chances to new ones players, not only to strengthen their own teams, but the NA region in general

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askrial

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i have no clue what you meant to say but that has nothing to do with potter lol

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foythvlr

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they meant that it's only not at the bottom because of potter, as the team is the weakest on americas on paper

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askrial

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ok i see what is meant now but still that's an awful take lol

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bfrparker

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I meant that the players are obviously not bad, I just believe that some of them no longer have a level in tier 1, and compared to other lines, they are inferior, they just didn't come last because Potter is an excellent coach

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Pras1mos

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Very simple, the OP wanted to say that the line isnt the botton, js because of potter, and the line itself is weak.

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AlexSMTx

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Finally someone that has LEV being in multiple possible places. Imo the biggest question mark is whether the team and strats will be a good fit for their chemistry with nataNk and Demon1. If yes, then LEV is a top team in Americas, but if he looks like he did on NRG then LEV are gonna be looking rough. Also, we need to see how the team does with nataNk too, but he looked great on M8 so I'm not too worried on him.

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bfrparker

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I think nataNK is a great player, and I think he matches Itopata's style in my opinion, my biggest question mark is about Demon1

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AlexSMTx

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yeah we will see what version of him we'll have

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c9 > loud, porem eles nao sao o ultimo, acho eles melhores q a eg e talvez 2g
eu tbm acho q a furia briga por essas ultimas posições na tabela

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bfrparker

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Furia tá com uma line mt forte mano, duvido q eles sejam um dos ultimos agr, a C9 n me traz confiança alguma sinceramente, a line deles n me parece forte o suficiente pra bater uma LOUD ou 2G

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da performance q a gente espera dos players da furia eu só confio no heat, sabendo q mw e khalil podem ser instaveis pra krl, havoc pode ser aquele duelista tipo icy pro time mas tbm pode ser aquele q vai jogar pra ser star player e nao aguentar a pressão
levando em consideração q a c9 melhorou e a loud piorou eu acho q eles sao melhores q a loud sim, rossy tem uma performance individual interessante e esse v1c é muito subestimado, alem de q eu nao confio nada em v1nny pra ser um lider e igl desse time

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bfrparker

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o Khalil quando quer jogar é um monstro, mw a mesma coisa, o problema é que raramente eles "querem jogar", eu acredito q isso vai se resolver, na Furia o ponto que eu menos confio é o Havoc, acho que seria melhor trazer um duelista de oficio que fosse mais agressivo e que viesse pra ser um starplayer mesmo. Sobre a C9, o desempenho do Xeppa vem ficando pior a cada ano, o Rossy foi kickado da T1 pq os próprios torcedores reclamavam das performances dele, e a Loud por mais que não tenha um bom igl, ainda tem tuyz, cauanzin, pancada e o dg é outro que quando quer, a gente sabe que é muito bom, infelizmente a Loud não costuma jogar off seasons, então é meio dificil ver esse desempenho na prática

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askrial

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prx is not that good buddy. their results at the end of last year prove that.

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bfrparker

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From the looks of it, they won't play as many off seasons this year, meaning they'll probably have a lot of time to work on new tactics for next year, Alecks is a good coach, I'm sure he has something in mind (It's not something player, it's something, lol)

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askrial

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but where did their new tactics get them this year... (ascent comp cough cough)

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bfrparker

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This year they didn't do well in the Champions, in the Pacific and in the first two masters they had decent campaigns, only losing to very strong teams

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Pato_Galactico

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KRU 8
After being 1 map away from eliminating FNC from champs this year and only doing puré upgrades (Heat -> Mazino and MTA -> Adverso) is crazy

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Adverso it doesn't give me confidence manito, I say this from my own experience, he didn't play anything like we expected here in Brazil, I think getting rid of the Heat was a mistake, in my opinion he's a good player, but not better than Mazino and Heat, he should have left and KRU should have gone after a better IGL

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Azzelastia

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MIBR and furia not last😹😹😹😹
South NA people so delusional

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askrial

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slow down there buddy.

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bfrparker

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Did you see furia and mibr's line?

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dort

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i even saw someone put furia at 4th
these brazilians might have brain damage

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https://imgur.com/a/1LBK6jt
https://imgur.com/a/SDvrvTW
https://prnt.sc/ui3zEnxm0RTe

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dort

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exhibit A

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askrial

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shut up fart

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bfrparker

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os caras odeiam tanto esse dort q até acharam o twitter dele pqp kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

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Pras1mos

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Foi a galera do NA que achou, mas papo reto, tem no minímo 10 usarios mais chatos que ele (E eles não fazem isso de propósito, só são irritantes mesmo).

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bfrparker

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tem uns q eu acho tão absurdos q parece mt q é de proposito, tipo o averagenafan, acho q é o maluco mais chato do vlr, e por mais q eu acredito q exista gente assim de proposito, ele fala tanta merda q acho mt dificil só n ser um bait.
E o pior é q parece q eles seguem um roteiro kkkkkkkk, bandeira dos estados unidos, logo da NRG do lado do nome e sempre frag negativo nas respostas kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

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Pras1mos

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Vc acha isso irritante, até vc mexer com a fanbase da Sen.
Esses dai são baiters, mas os da Sen se levam a sério e são maioria aqui.
Eu critico bastante eles, e isso me causou ter 5 pessoas que todo post que eu faço, eu sou xingado por eles (Da uma olhada no meus posts que tu já vai achar um).

Dort, NA_fan, esses caras são chatos, mas são 10x mais respeitosos que os de bandeira vermelha.

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bfrparker

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a vdd é uma só, a maioria das pessoas do NA são burras

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bfrparker

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Are you from na and want to say that Brazilians have brain damage? You think Brazil speaks Spanish and we are in Africa, dumb

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EG, C9 > KRU, 2G, LOUD, FURIA

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bfrparker

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good joke my friend, make me laugh

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Ultime

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C9 at 12. Cant wait to see you switch up when they are one of the best teams this year

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#51

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Is this a tier list for the start of 2025. Judging by your comment about the players, it seems you think DRX will move up as the year goes by

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bfrparker

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Yes, the new players are young, they are already very good and can be even better, DRX can move up positions over time

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Kirya

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Kaajak is a tier 2 farmer and onliner meanwhile derke is one of emea superstars that has been hard carrying fnatic since 2021 and farming internationals and regionals in tier 1 plus probably has one of the best mechanics in the game
Clear downgrade

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bfrparker

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Until 2023 Derke was a mid duelist, Kaajak is new and is already very good, if you take into account that every good player in tier 2 is a farmer, we will never have new players in tier 1

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Until 2023 Derke was a mid duelist

Did you even watch fnatic before 2023
Compare tier 1 farmer to tier 2 farmer
Its obvious whos better
Plus one has way more experience and derke is still really young

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I saw fnatic play a lot before 2023, especially in Champions 2022, the 2 masters and the emea challengers, he was nothing close to what he is today, both in stats and outside of them

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Kirya

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What
He was the best emea duelist throughout 2021 and 2022 by far
He wasnt a mid duelist at all

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bfrparker

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In 2021, the best duelist in EMEA was d3ffo, in 2022, it may seem like a joke nowadays, but at the time Ardiis was the best

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Kirya

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d3ffo wasnt even near as good as derke statwise and gameplay wise
Derke performed way better on a worse team
And derke farmed ardiis and fpx most of the time in 2022 and did way way better statwise

You're forgetting that gambit main carries were nats and chronicle, and fpx carries were shao and suygetsu

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bfrparker

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Dude, you certainly didn't watch the games, so I don't have much to discuss with u

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Kirya

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Nah i watched most of the games and thats why i am sure derke is better
You can also check stats
Derke is consistently highest emea duelist in 2021 and 2022 statwise
And my first posts were literally under fnatic vs fpx match up where derke hard diffed ardiis and fnatic literally had like 5-2 w l ratio against fpx in 2022