With the rumours of ge going with 0 Indian players, are you still excited to watch and support them like before or not.
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IHaveAnswers [#2]Not like they were winning with Indians lol
Yea lol, hope they don't call themselves Indian representative this season.
y0yster [#3]If they win good if they don't then they won't be going to be franchise team for long time.
Don't know why they are even in franchise league to begin with.
GE isn't an Indian team, but they are an Indian org. As you said its their make or break season.. so they should go all out and get the best possible roster rather than having the Indian quota sytem having a permanent Indian player regardless if there are better players over him.. Criticize them if they perform poorly after that, but tbh this is the best roster cooking they have done since the franchise inception.
Sanky [#7]GE isn't an Indian team, but they are an Indian org. As you said its their make or break season.. so they should go all out and get the best possible roster rather than having the Indian quota sytem having a permanent Indian player regardless if there are better players over him.. Criticize them if they perform poorly after that, but tbh this is the best roster cooking they have done since the franchise inception.
- if they have a successful academy team, that would be more beneficial to valo ecosystem in India, rather than haing an Indian player in T1.
Sanky [#7]GE isn't an Indian team, but they are an Indian org. As you said its their make or break season.. so they should go all out and get the best possible roster rather than having the Indian quota sytem having a permanent Indian player regardless if there are better players over him.. Criticize them if they perform poorly after that, but tbh this is the best roster cooking they have done since the franchise inception.
Hell nah. Their 2023 roster was by far the best roster, and actually couldve been a mid to top tier team in apac this season unironically
They just had a fraud coach and skrossi started shitting his pants when it mattered the most
Araragi [#5]Don't know why they are even in franchise league to begin with.
Well you are underestimating the craze of Valorant there was in India during the franchise season and it would have been stupid of Riot to not make an Indian team.
welikefortniteandvalorant [#9]Hell nah. Their 2023 roster was by far the best roster, and actually couldve been a mid to top tier team in apac this season unironically
They just had a fraud coach and skrossi started shitting his pants when it mattered the most
Yup agreed, that roster could have been so good, but the issue was that roster was never gonna do well in a stipulated time + there was visa issues in the initial season making it difficult to have an ingame chemistry + texture comms were an issue coz of english+ 7 man roster and rotating it every now and then.. It was doomed to fail+ ge didnt have the budget to hold that roster for a long time.
Anguibok [#11]Short term decision, bad for India
Short term decision yeah, but it is to save their own asses or they might have the bleed treatment if the rumored 2025 reinspection of GE will happen..so it's their make or break season
Sanky [#10]Well you are underestimating the craze of Valorant there was in India during the franchise season and it would have been stupid of Riot to not make an Indian team.
But they never made an indian team so what craze was riot trying to tap in with ge.
Aaafy [#14]India and Indonesia are the same country :)
both very nation proud countries with the exception that indo has very good players to pick up from, whereas India has none
Anguibok [#11]Short term decision, bad for India
Not really, it depends on their academy situation. As of right now Indian players are not that good compared to the rest of SEA but if they have promising players on their academy team along with a good coach(probably an import) then imo it's better for the scene since that coach will be able to bring the necessary experience(?) needed in a place where tac-FPS hasn't been a big thing in the past
Araragi [#15]But they never made an indian team so what craze was riot trying to tap in with ge.
For the initial season i guess thy tried to go in huge with big names but once it flopped, they went to the budget roster+ regular performance from indians in ascension didnt help the cause either. it was like have a chance maybe with intl or guarenteed bottom of the table finish with full Indian roster. And I dont think we would have rallied behind GE if they would have gone last place with all indian roster
Sanky [#18]For the initial season i guess thy tried to go in huge with big names but once it flopped, they went to the budget roster+ regular performance from indians in ascension didnt help the cause either. it was like have a chance maybe with intl or guarenteed bottom of the table finish with full Indian roster. And I dont think we would have rallied behind GE if they would have gone last place with all indian roster
As long they don't call themselves Indian representative this season, I'm happy.
Sanky [#18]For the initial season i guess thy tried to go in huge with big names but once it flopped, they went to the budget roster+ regular performance from indians in ascension didnt help the cause either. it was like have a chance maybe with intl or guarenteed bottom of the table finish with full Indian roster. And I dont think we would have rallied behind GE if they would have gone last place with all indian roster
But I think since the bundle sales for GE were low(just guessing) and India is a huge mkt, riot may have warned GE about this. So doesn't matter Indian or non indian, if they perform insanely good this time, they might go the heretics way. They didnt have much local support earlier compared to other spanish orgs, but after the performancxe their fandom increased
Araragi [#19]As long they don't call themselves Indian representative this season, I'm happy.
But with the Academy team they are cooking, if it succeeds trust me that will be a boon to our country. Talent pipelines are very important to grow good players. So I guess you can support India in that way.
Araragi [#15]But they never made an indian team so what craze was riot trying to tap in with ge.
Name me a indian org or owner that will go with indians in franchise?
They gave indian plyrs chance in open tryouts and the plyrs failed to deliver. Is it their fault?
Owner who initially said that he would have gone for Indians in franchise is now investing in other region 🤡🤡
You want them to show Baisedness towards indian plyrs and see the team struggling to take a map off?
Sanky [#21]But with the Academy team they are cooking, if it succeeds trust me that will be a boon to our country. Talent pipelines are very important to grow good players. So I guess you can support India in that way.
It wont succeed I can guarantee it. They are fielding a Indian team that will play scrim from India which others team have been doing from start. If they would have taken the Indian team to korea for development, then I would have believed their academy shit.
Not1 [#22]Name me a indian org or owner that will go with indians in franchise?
They gave indian plyrs chance in open tryouts and the plyrs failed to deliver. Is it their fault?
Owner who initially said that he would have gone for Indians in franchise is now investing in other region 🤡🤡
You want them to show Baisedness towards indian plyrs and see the team struggling to take a map off?
I don't have problem with 0 Indian players in team, I just don't want GE to be called Indian representative. It's BS.
Aaafy [#14]India and Indonesia are the same country :)
Chicken tikka masala and Lamb Rogan Josh are Indonesian Padang food :)
Araragi [#23]It wont succeed I can guarantee it. They are fielding a Indian team that will play scrim from India which others team have been doing from start. If they would have taken the Indian team to korea for development, then I would have believed their academy shit.
They haven't even announced anything about their academy team yet, how are you so sure lol
Araragi [#23]It wont succeed I can guarantee it. They are fielding a Indian team that will play scrim from India which others team have been doing from start. If they would have taken the Indian team to korea for development, then I would have believed their academy shit.
Let see first before talking shit..+ the academy team will participate in VCL SA.. judge them during that time, not now
Sanky [#28]Let see first before talking shit..+ the academy team will participate in VCL SA.. judge them during that time, not now
As if playing good in Indian tournament means something
Araragi [#29]As if playing good in Indian tournament means something
I agree, but atleast we can know if they are shit or good. If they perform super well, we can argue the player have a potential. By super well I mean top 4 atleast.. If we get minimum 2 insane players trust me the academy team will be called a success.
Sanky [#30]I agree, but atleast we can know if they are shit or good. If they perform super well, we can argue the player have a potential. By super well I mean top 4 atleast.. If we get minimum 2 insane players trust me the academy team will be called a success.
For that to succeed, you need :
- Good coach, normally this shouldn't be necessary as long as you get a good development coach, but current academy teams are looking for results so aiming for development and winning at the same time isn't easy imo.
- Talents, which is the aim of academy teams which I'm not going to touch
Araragi [#4]Yea lol, hope they don't call themselves Indian representative this season.
the reason APAC are still behind, people here care more about representative rather than actually talent & making a good team
fcking braindead and delusional LMFAO
Araragi [#23]It wont succeed I can guarantee it. They are fielding a Indian team that will play scrim from India which others team have been doing from start. If they would have taken the Indian team to korea for development, then I would have believed their academy shit.
its not just on team owners,players themselves don't have caliber. what can they do.our indian players flopped. so just hoping to make best team possible and make playoffs.players will have to grind.some aussie players are good even if they at far distance. so work hard ,if any players good ,why won't any team will get him.
Dattadri_sai [#32]the reason APAC are still behind, people here care more about representative rather than actually talent & making a good team
fcking braindead and delusional LMFAO
He's not wrong tho, you wouldn't call a team full of non Indians as an Indian team, would you?
IonlywatchvcjXD [#31]For that to succeed, you need :
- Good coach, normally this shouldn't be necessary as long as you get a good development coach, but current academy teams are looking for results so aiming for development and winning at the same time isn't easy imo.
- Talents, which is the aim of academy teams which I'm not going to touch
- Agreed, but I guess with ample amount of time it is possible to create a good team. But it is in the hands of coach because he has to tame the players. So the coach will make or break the team.
- Talents are currently upcoming in here although not at a pace like Japan, korea etc but a few handful are there. They need proper guidance to do good.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#35]He's not wrong tho, you wouldn't call a team full of non Indians as an Indian team, would you?
what is the matter of is indian team or not ? how about get a good player, making a good team and start winning games & Thropy ? LOL
Botkiller69 [#36]Who care about national player we just want to watch some good match
Agree i want good matches.
Sanky [#37]
- Agreed, but I guess with ample amount of time it is possible to create a good team. But it is in the hands of coach because he has to tame the players. So the coach will make or break the team.
- Talents are currently upcoming in here although not at a pace like Japan, korea etc but a few handful are there. They need proper guidance to do good.
We already had good foreign coach in India, but in the end playing in India won't help.
They need to play and train in better regions and teams
Sanky [#37]
- Agreed, but I guess with ample amount of time it is possible to create a good team. But it is in the hands of coach because he has to tame the players. So the coach will make or break the team.
- Talents are currently upcoming in here although not at a pace like Japan, korea etc but a few handful are there. They need proper guidance to do good.
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Which is why I'm concerned about the current riot sanctioned academy teams, they are too result-centric. Normally an academy joins a tournament to measure how far the members have progressed, in other words for the long term. But the current environment forces AC teams to focus on short term, which isn't good for development.
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(Just in case😅) my earlier 2nd point isn't trying to say that India have no talent , it does just like you said exists albeit at a slow pace, which is why I think the aim should be quality over quantity. Which means like you mentioned proper guidance so I agree👍
Dattadri_sai [#38]what is the matter of is indian team or not ? how about get a good player, making a good team and start winning games & Thropy ? LOL
So just don't call yourself Indian team. Winning with 0 Indian won't help our region.
Araragi [#42]So just don't call yourself Indian team. Winning with 0 Indian won't help our region.
INDIAN THIS INDIA THAT TF, im fcking done with this indian bullshit
WHO TF CARE, MAYBE GET GOOD AND STOP CRYING ?
Dattadri_sai [#43]INDIAN THIS INDIA THAT TF, im fcking done with this indian bullshit
WHO TF CARE, MAYBE GET GOOD AND STOP CRYING ?
Get good? Valorant is dying here. Lucky if we even have 3 org next year.
No one cares bro, our players (80%) are crybabies playing for money and not trophy in VCL, rest who work hard aren't good enough as of yet, don't care will support the team, u guys are just dumb to want an all Indian roster as of rn, and just keeping a singular Indian player just damages the gelling of the team in an overall sense as every region has different people , i will support the team , even an org like KC a fucking brand so big have no french on their team tho u can argue m8 qualified with all french but look how bad they were , but kc fans still support them , why is our fanbase such an L
Araragi [#42]So just don't call yourself Indian team. Winning with 0 Indian won't help our region.
why? the org is Indian, the people funding the team are Indian, the people running the team are Indian? Do they not deserve to rep India just because their country's players aren't good enough to play in that level yet? Would you have had the same thoughts about Indian player quota if relegation existed and performing bad meant going back to the unsustainable Tier 2 ?
Araragi [#4]Yea lol, hope they don't call themselves Indian representative this season.
They don't bro , it's cause the fans act like dickheads and crybabies of wanting an Indian roster , hamara bgmi season jismein itne acche talent hai that cant produce a good enough team to win it all in the world stage ( the times where we have gone to a world stage ) and u expect this from valorant?
Araragi [#24]I don't have problem with 0 Indian players in team, I just don't want GE to be called Indian representative. It's BS.
The faster you hop off that superficial nationalism, the more the country will succeed. Going 0-10 with all Indian roster would turn the region into a laughing stock and would hurt the scene even more.
EverSince333 [#46]why? the org is Indian, the people funding the team are Indian, the people running the team are Indian? Do they not deserve to rep India just because their country's players aren't good enough to play in that level yet? Would you have had the same thoughts about Indian player quota if relegation existed and performing bad meant going back to the unsustainable Tier 2 ?
Indian org and Indian team is different thing. The term is different so is the meaning
Araragi [#24]I don't have problem with 0 Indian players in team, I just don't want GE to be called Indian representative. It's BS.
Then what you want?
You think ge is the reason that india reputation is bad?
In eyes of clown vlr user it might be but in reality it is the audience.
Go ask any pro, caster, coach.
They avoid ge because of toxic indian fans.
Also currently you guys want ge to be removed from franchise but tell me once there is no indian org in franchise you are fine by it?
If you think riot will appoint other indian org, pls come out of that delusion.
Most of indians audience only watch fe games because they get to see indian org at t1 level. Once ge is out , indian val is done for.
EverSince333 [#49]The faster you hop off that superficial nationalism, the more the country will succeed. Going 0-10 with all Indian roster would turn the region into a laughing stock and would hurt the scene even more.
As if losing with 1 player didn't make us a laughing stock already.
Araragi [#52]As if losing with 1 player didn't make us a laughing stock already.
The reason is that because Indian audience consider foreigners opinion, why to consider it?
You know for them everything will be wrong especially when it is done by indian org/plyr
I see indian themselves supporting the hate towards indian org/plyrs
I don't mind at all if the team competes at a high level and fights for top spots in apac if that happen I will start rooting for them even if there's no Indian player , plus this will motivates Indian players to grind hard if ge performs , so they can be worthy of that spot and there are many EMEA teams like French and Spanish teams who hardly have any representation in terms of their country players and ge will be still India representative just like VIT , KOI are for France and Spain
Wazeee99 [#45]No one cares bro, our players (80%) are crybabies playing for money and not trophy in VCL, rest who work hard aren't good enough as of yet, don't care will support the team, u guys are just dumb to want an all Indian roster as of rn, and just keeping a singular Indian player just damages the gelling of the team in an overall sense as every region has different people , i will support the team , even an org like KC a fucking brand so big have no french on their team tho u can argue m8 qualified with all french but look how bad they were , but kc fans still support them , why is our fanbase such an L
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Sanky [#12]Yup agreed, that roster could have been so good, but the issue was that roster was never gonna do well in a stipulated time + there was visa issues in the initial season making it difficult to have an ingame chemistry + texture comms were an issue coz of english+ 7 man roster and rotating it every now and then.. It was doomed to fail+ ge didnt have the budget to hold that roster for a long time.
Yeah the visa issues and generally chemistry issue was dumb
WRONSKI idea was questionable but i respect it
And t3xture language barrier was an insane nerf
But yet it was a very good roster on paper
Also i dont think GE has budget issues they literally didnt have any sponsors on their jersey thats how rich they are
Sanky [#13]Short term decision yeah, but it is to save their own asses or they might have the bleed treatment if the rumored 2025 reinspection of GE will happen..so it's their make or break season
Definitely not, it's the contrary :
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Riot choose to make franchise --> They want team to think on long term
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Riot give a spot to GE --> They want to conquered Indian market
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Bleed didn't drop because of bad --> Drop because no pay
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GE going full import --> Loss of interest of Indian (Even if GE win champions) --> GE dropped for another indian org
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GE going last every time with imports and think long term --> They develop Indian market, maybe hope to go good in 5 years
IHaveAnswers [#17]Not really, it depends on their academy situation. As of right now Indian players are not that good compared to the rest of SEA but if they have promising players on their academy team along with a good coach(probably an import) then imo it's better for the scene since that coach will be able to bring the necessary experience(?) needed in a place where tac-FPS hasn't been a big thing in the past
No indian player playing in T1 --> No experience for Indian player in T1 --> gap between India and other part of the world increase (Plus in India you can't scrim Asian team because of ping if i'm no right.)
Aaafy [#14]India and Indonesia are the same country :)
i guess so? indonesia is literally "island of india".
but then we have a lot of players currently competing in the league, so no.
It's not about Indian players or otherwise, GE is an org funded by a person and it is his authority to decide what he wants to do as a team owner and we don't have any right to do moral policing or demands in that. Similarly nobody has right to tell us to support them or consider them an Indian team or otherwise. People rightly point out that we at APAC talk too much about regional representation but the truth is bcz APAC has a very varied and divided playerbase and we all want to be represented at the highest level.
It's also true that GE made it to franchising just bcz they represented Indian fanbase and hence it is their moral responsibility to develop Indian scene but this fact is implicit and not explicit. What is more important that we work hard as players and support those who are already working hard by bringing them views and motivation to compete at highest level. If we truly care about Indian scene we will celebrate the success, do constructive criticism and look forward to bringing changes ourselves instead of demanding quotas and responsibillity from business like GE who have to provide returns
Araragi [#50]Indian org and Indian team is different thing. The term is different so is the meaning
shut up, you sound retarded
spanish teams don't have spanish players, yet they still get spanish fans
french teams don't have french players, yet they still get french fans
quit being braindead
Anguibok [#58]No indian player playing in T1 --> No experience for Indian player in T1 --> gap between India and other part of the world increase (Plus in India you can't scrim Asian team because of ping if i'm no right.)
You are not right, players can scrim though the ping may be slightly high(for eSports standards) depending on the location.[Assuming the scrims are on Singapore server and not Korea]
I think it's better to grow regional talent and make them grind in T2 than just push them in T1 when they are not even ready. Also if the players were good they would make it to T1 through tryouts.
I don't really understand what experience everyone talks about like if there is 1 Indian player or 5 Indian players playing and still losing, then how does that help the region(all this does is get the fans even more angry since they can't comprehend the skill gap)?
IHaveAnswers [#64]You are not right, players can scrim though the ping may be slightly high(for eSports standards) depending on the location.[Assuming the scrims are on Singapore server and not Korea]
I think it's better to grow regional talent and make them grind in T2 than just push them in T1 when they are not even ready. Also if the players were good they would make it to T1 through tryouts.
I don't really understand what experience everyone talks about like if there is 1 Indian player or 5 Indian players playing and still losing, then how does that help the region(all this does is get the fans even more angry since they can't comprehend the skill gap)?
Team are in Korea, their ping would be to mush on SG, even Taiwan have a too high ping to play on SG serv, so I dont think they can play on SG with a decent ping, and even if that was the case, wish team in Korea would accept to play a game on a bad ping against a weak team x)
Loosing against better team grant you experience, it's good for long term, never underestimate that
Anguibok [#65]Team are in Korea, their ping would be to mush on SG, even Taiwan have a too high ping to play on SG serv, so I dont think they can play on SG with a decent ping, and even if that was the case, wish team in Korea would accept to play a game on a bad ping against a weak team x)
Loosing against better team grant you experience, it's good for long term, never underestimate that
Quite sure they scrim other T2 teams on SG server. And I believe T1 teams do scrim with T2 teams.
Also, long term, yes it's been 2 years and both the most promising Indian talent has lost quite a lot and what did that do in return?
IonlywatchvcjXD [#35]He's not wrong tho, you wouldn't call a team full of non Indians as an Indian team, would you?
bs when there is no talent why waste potential/hard work of other deserving players ?
bs no need of indian players
IHaveAnswers [#66]Quite sure they scrim other T2 teams on SG server. And I believe T1 teams do scrim with T2 teams.
Also, long term, yes it's been 2 years and both the most promising Indian talent has lost quite a lot and what did that do in return?
You can scrim SEA but I would be really surprised if they could scrim KR.
It wasn't a full Indian team, it was 1 player, not enough player impacted to have a real effect (especially on a so long term), Keep in ming that in Season 1, India beat a top 2 KR team, now they are lower than lower
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