lets get this straight okay

• TUYZ, can play any controller agent, is better fragger than most controllers. He is undoubtedly top 5 might even be top 3 if he gets a good team around him.

• CAUANZIN, theres no way you guys can argue this guy isn't top 3 best INITATORS in the world and he is a straight IGL as well. can play both flash and recon initators exceptionally well + so young and yet so experienced.

• PANCADA, i don't even have to tell you anything, one of the most cemented best controllers of all time.

• SAADHAAK, again i don't even have to say anything, he is a great flex who can play literally most agents. also greatest IGL of all time.

• LESS, don't really have to say anything

only reason this team was shit was due to, role issues and most importantly BAD COACHES. I've never seen a coach so lost than when peu was when coaching LOUD.

But they also didn't have a good duelist(tuyz was not good on duelist imo)

They had 2 controllers, that's the issue. They should've dropped tuyz and kept qck1. Qck1 > kangkang

IHaveAnswers [#2]

But they also didn't have a good duelist(tuyz was not good on duelist imo)

role issues and most importantly BAD COACHES

yes i agree

"Only reason" lists 2 reasons, doesn't even talk about how LOUD were behind the meta the entire year. LOUD was shit because they lost their identity after Aspas and Frod left, and they didn't do a good job of reinventing themselves.

calImegod [#3]

They had 2 controllers, that's the issue. They should've dropped tuyz and kept qck1. Qck1 > kangkang

hell no, like i said the coaches had NO idea what they were doing and panic resigned pancada to which led to more issues

bbebox [#5]

"Only reason" lists 2 reasons, doesn't even talk about how LOUD were behind the meta the entire year. LOUD was shit because they lost their identity after Aspas and Frod left, and they didn't do a good job of reinventing themselves.

how do you think the role issues was brought on? don't you understand coaches make lineups? or do you think tuyz wanted pancada back and coaches had no say? lmfao its literally hand in hand. bad coaches was ultimately the 1 sole problem of LOUD

bbebox [#5]

"Only reason" lists 2 reasons, doesn't even talk about how LOUD were behind the meta the entire year. LOUD was shit because they lost their identity after Aspas and Frod left, and they didn't do a good job of reinventing themselves.

Where did the old coach go after loud? Why he got dropped?

kalayav_n [#4]

role issues and most importantly BAD COACHES

yes i agree

I c 👀

calImegod [#8]

Where did the old coach go after loud? Why he got dropped?

I can link the interview he speaks about it, https://youtu.be/tp5kSr9I2tw?t=2974

if loud kept qck, they could have gone for a g2-esque playstyle, but they dropped qck so pancada could play smokes and as a result tuyz and saadhak had to play duelist. saadhak my guy you are the goat but never fucking play duelist again.

Peu hadnt power to do anything in Loud, when he joined, the team format was already created, and according to some people (not me) Peu besides that, was tier 2, thing that limiteded his coachs bc he hadnt space to talk.

For me the team had downfall, bc the fans opnions breached the team, and the org when they was vunerable.
Qck wasnt filling Aspas spot, and fans was shiting on him, Loud (A fan org) kicked him and taked pANcada (Yes pANcada was Loud choice, not Saad choice).
The years was already lost and the team had no strat, still Saad as what seens, heard the fans opnions and made some shit choices.

Prasinos [#12]

Peu hadnt power to do anything in Loud, when he joined, the team format was already created, and according to some people (not me) Peu besides that, was tier 2, thing that limiteded his coachs bc he hadnt space to talk.

For me the team had downfall, bc the fans opnions breached the team, and the org when they was vunerable.
Qck wasnt filling Aspas spot, and fans was shiting on him, Loud (A fan org) kicked him and taked pANcada (Yes pANcada was Loud choice, not Saad choice).
The years was already lost and the team had no strat, still Saad as what seens, heard the fans opnions and made some shit choices.

yes but all of this couldve been avoided if fRoD wasn't kicked out,

nobody___100 [#11]

if loud kept qck, they could have gone for a g2-esque playstyle, but they dropped qck so pancada could play smokes and as a result tuyz and saadhak had to play duelist. saadhak my guy you are the goat but never fucking play duelist again.

Remember when qck went 11-4 against kangkang? Clearly qck best duelist in the world > aspas, kangkang, miniboo, zekken, derke

kalayav_n [#13]

yes but all of this couldve been avoided if fRoD wasn't kicked out,

Agree, and dont get me wrong, Qck wasnt bad, but he wasnt the one for Loud.

kalayav_n [#7]

how do you think the role issues was brought on? don't you understand coaches make lineups? or do you think tuyz wanted pancada back and coaches had no say? lmfao its literally hand in hand. bad coaches was ultimately the 1 sole problem of LOUD

my brother in christ, saadhak was the one in control of the roster and many of the meta decisions for the first half of the season, their only good result was a fourth place at madrid because they played both of the CN teams who played INCREDIBLY poorly, and previous to that it was because no one understood the weaknesses of their comps yet in Americas.

bbebox [#16]

my brother in christ, saadhak was the one in control of the roster and many of the meta decisions for the first half of the season, their only good result was a fourth place at madrid because they played both of the CN teams who played INCREDIBLY poorly, and previous to that it was because no one understood the weaknesses of their comps yet in Americas.

Saadhak was NOT in control of the roster

cloudberry [#17]

Saadhak was NOT in control of the roster

He was, he has said that he wanted qck for Aspas' replacement. In louds videos around the mid season, saadhak even talked about giving more control to coaches for the mid season. It would make no sense for 2 new untested coaches in t1 to have more control over the team than the establish veteran world champion IGL.

kalayav_n [#13]

yes but all of this couldve been avoided if fRoD wasn't kicked out,

Why did they even kick frod 💀

"one of the best cemented best controllers of all time" he had a singular good year 💀+ tuyz definitely has the potential to be top 5 but he hasn't shown that yet

also this is what they get for dropping 2 great coaches and letting their players troll instead

bbebox [#16]

my brother in christ, saadhak was the one in control of the roster and many of the meta decisions for the first half of the season, their only good result was a fourth place at madrid because they played both of the CN teams who played INCREDIBLY poorly, and previous to that it was because no one understood the weaknesses of their comps yet in Americas.

im just not gonna argue with you if your gonna make shit up your ass

uwukitten [#20]

"one of the best cemented best controllers of all time" he had a singular good year 💀+ tuyz definitely has the potential to be top 5 but he hasn't shown that yet

also this is what they get for dropping 2 great coaches and letting their players troll instead

i agree last part for sure, letting go of fRoD is possibly worse than letting go of aspas in my opinion, also pancada is one of the best controllers bro.. even in split 2 he was carrying for most part.

Fr bro you should coach LOUD instead

Hobbit [#23]

Fr bro you should coach LOUD instead

id rather support M80 then coach under a dogshit org

catNmouse [#19]

Why did they even kick frod 💀

LESS wanted more power, source: https://youtu.be/tp5kSr9I2tw?t=2974

Tuyz and pancada are good controllers, some of the most overrated players I have ever seen, easily cleared by people like karon, smoggy, chichoo and pretty much every other good controller is comparable or better than them
People who think caua are top 5 after performances from people like trexx, reins, chronicle, leo, beyn, heck Id even argue the likes of AAAAY is better
Saadhak is one of the greatest igl in valorant
Less is one of the greatest sentinels in valorant

Loud failed because they had terrible management and terrible role control, but even then this is not a top 3 by the end of the year even if they had good management

BarbaraCult [#26]

Tuyz and pancada are good controllers, some of the most overrated players I have ever seen, easily cleared by people like karon, smoggy, chichoo and pretty much every other good controller is comparable or better than them
People who think caua are top 5 after performances from people like trexx, reins, chronicle, leo, beyn, heck Id even argue the likes of AAAAY is better
Saadhak is one of the greatest igl in valorant
Less is one of the greatest sentinels in valorant

Loud failed because they had terrible management and terrible role control, but even then this is not a top 3 by the end of the year even if they had good management

stopped reading at tuyz nice bait though 0/10

kalayav_n [#27]

stopped reading at tuyz nice bait though 0/10

The South American bias is crazy

BarbaraCult [#26]

Tuyz and pancada are good controllers, some of the most overrated players I have ever seen, easily cleared by people like karon, smoggy, chichoo and pretty much every other good controller is comparable or better than them
People who think caua are top 5 after performances from people like trexx, reins, chronicle, leo, beyn, heck Id even argue the likes of AAAAY is better
Saadhak is one of the greatest igl in valorant
Less is one of the greatest sentinels in valorant

Loud failed because they had terrible management and terrible role control, but even then this is not a top 3 by the end of the year even if they had good management

guy rly said trexx reins chronicle leo beyn AAAAY

Tuyz is not even top 4 in BR wtf are you saying. Cortezia, pancada, Brinks and lukxo are better than him.

BarbaraCult [#28]

The South American bias is crazy

ye like s0m being the best controller is definitely south american bias, also didn't know nAts was south american; somethingg is also south american; oh yeah i completely forgot chronicle's grandfather was peles brother so hes brazilian ofc

The thing was never bad coaches, after frod the coaches never had the power to change anything and even frod only had the power because Aspas was with him.

Crazyfire [#32]

The thing was never bad coaches, after frod the coaches never had the power to change anything and even frod only had the power because Aspas was with him.

loud are shittiest org man, fucking ruined the scene for brazil as well. :/ imagine had a proper ORG kept the loud players or atleast treated them with some flipping respect

calImegod [#3]

They had 2 controllers, that's the issue. They should've dropped tuyz and kept qck1. Qck1 > kangkang

QCK could win a 1v2 match against Aspas and Yay prime without drop a single round

kalayav_n [#31]

ye like s0m being the best controller is definitely south american bias, also didn't know nAts was south american; somethingg is also south american; oh yeah i completely forgot chronicle's grandfather was peles brother so hes brazilian ofc

Shit dude, I like nats and even I can admit he isnt a top 5 sentinel player right now. s0m best controller? Not the worst take ever but he hasnt done any world class performance yet. Something is like good, pretty inconsistent overall.

ionlyHave1Zuni [#29]

guy rly said trexx reins chronicle leo beyn AAAAY

How on earth do you think caua beats any of those players

kalayav_n [#13]

yes but all of this couldve been avoided if fRoD wasn't kicked out,

if fRoD wasnt kicked out i dont think neither Aspas would leave, that's was the worst decision Loud made ever

BarbaraCult [#35]

Shit dude, I like nats and even I can admit he isnt a top 5 sentinel player right now. s0m best controller? Not the worst take ever but he hasnt done any world class performance yet. Something is like good, pretty inconsistent overall.

recency bias, i suggest you go rewatch the past 2 years of valorant

BarbaraCult [#36]

How on earth do you think caua beats any of those players

He dogwalked leo trexx and chronicle
Reins gets the turkish pass
Who Tf is AAAY and beyn 😴😴😴😴😭😭

BarbaraCult [#26]

Tuyz and pancada are good controllers, some of the most overrated players I have ever seen, easily cleared by people like karon, smoggy, chichoo and pretty much every other good controller is comparable or better than them
People who think caua are top 5 after performances from people like trexx, reins, chronicle, leo, beyn, heck Id even argue the likes of AAAAY is better
Saadhak is one of the greatest igl in valorant
Less is one of the greatest sentinels in valorant

Loud failed because they had terrible management and terrible role control, but even then this is not a top 3 by the end of the year even if they had good management

Ok beyn is a good initiator but he hasn’t been fragging on that role

kalayav_n [#38]

recency bias, i suggest you go rewatch the past 2 years of valorant

Dude you can not be comparing a performance 2 years ago and one now. Theres a reason tenz reyk stats have never been beaten. Also players can fall off, is tenz the best duelist player? Fuck no but if I look at past performance omg tenz is incredible

kalayav_n [#33]

loud are shittiest org man, fucking ruined the scene for brazil as well. :/ imagine had a proper ORG kept the loud players or atleast treated them with some flipping respect

If loud were a good org not even Aspas would leave, the thing is the owners arent like the EU/NA orgs owner or even the LATAM org owners FerMago from LEV and Aguero and the fucking Lionel Messi from KRU, they dont mind spent money for investiment because they know the money will back if the investment were good, in other hands, the LOUD owners dont put a single cent of their own money on the team so its really hard to get improvements with this shit mentality.