neon | VLR.gg

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retarded agent pls nerf

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skill issue

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alright she might be kinda good

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if it wasnt a retake meta she would have 90% pickrate

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Yuh_aye

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100% Agree, Make-A-Wish ass agent

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dante just better

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Slightly nerf her sprint speed, nerf slide speed and nerf ult

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Yuh_aye

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imo best fix would be making the bar not recharge, that way you have to be intelligent with your movement like a raze or jett, and can't just be running around for half the round

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Laundry

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wtf that nerfs even bigger than the chamber nerf

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Yuh_aye

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So?

If it was up to me I would just get rid of her entirely. Make a new agent that isn't designed to reward run-n-gunning. No more shitters using her as a crutch in my lobbies sounds like a dream

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nihso

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She's honestly pretty easy to counter.

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Yuh_aye

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No she isn't, you're just bad. You're probably gonna say just play cypher (because you're bad).

I'll give you a tip, even if you're in the elo where people don't know how to break trips -which are always gonna be in the same few spots ever time - you only have to do the following

Buy a Judge, Bucky, Phantom, or Spectre every round
Find out which site the Cypher is playing, which can be done in under 30 seconds
Tell your team to full hit the other site
Know basic entry pathing and the second you see someone just get in their face with a shotgun or slide-spray them down with body shots
Do this every round over and over again and if you're not complete dogshit you'll have 25+ and will probably win the game

I've seen people who were hardstuck ascendant (plat with bigger egos) for many acts start abusing the agent like this and hit high immortal. I guarantee some have done it to radiant.

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Aayan

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You're cooking, but all I needed to read was

No she isn't, you're just bad.

🥶🥶🥶

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remove her from the game tbh there’s no way to make her balanced she’s either shit or broken

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sideshowsbaldhead

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yeah fuck off get this shit out of the game

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Yuh_aye

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Exactly !!! An agent designed around run-n-gun has no place in a tac-fps

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smthlikeyou11

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not rly just shoot lol or use util or just not peek or peek toghether u guys can complain about if she slides on u its an insta kill or whatnot its the exact same thing if someone phoenix flashes correctly lmao that shit is a guranteed kill yet i dont hear people complain about it
theres counters to every agent
neon is also by far the 4th least picked duelist after yoru phoenix and iso lol
3rd least picked in radiant
3rd least picked in immortal
3rd least picked in ascendant
i didnt bother looking further down
yes u can abuse it in lower ranks but thats true for legit every single agent

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Yuh_aye

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u guys can complain about if she slides on u its an insta kill or whatnot its the exact same thing if someone phoenix flashes correctly lmao that shit is a guranteed kill

how many times can phoenix flash you in a round btw?

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smthlikeyou11

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not rly my point theres no way that was what u got out of what i said
theres ways to play the game in every situation

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Yuh_aye

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So just to clarify, how many times can a Phoenix throw a flash in a round?

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smthlikeyou11

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1-2

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Yuh_aye

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And how many times in a round can a neon attempt a very hard to punish run-n-gun (bullshit) kill? (probably up to 10-12 times dependant on circumstances if you ask me)

Additionally, how much does it cost to go for those, compared to phoenix's flashes?

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smthlikeyou11

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the cost difference is borderline negligible except pistol phx flash is 250 and neon slide is 150 + 1 free
without ult neon has 2 slides + 1 slide for every 2 kills so realistically about 4 maximum per round, not as much as 10-12, but if ur gonna count run and gun ults u might as well add jett in there too and raze satchels and ult
also run and gun is viable with any agent thats like close enough, im surprised its not used more often tbh run and gun is heavily underrated imo pros just tend to prefer to just shoot them instead of running and gunning because it gets controversial if u get what i mean
and u can run and gun with not just neon u can easily breach stun or omen blind + some sort of flash and just run them down

literally against neon ult just dont crouch and try to spray while sitting duck and ull be fine a vandal hs is insta kill neon needs like 2-3 shots to ur head to kill u

also js me or idk i havent been following pros or watching streams but i dont seem to hear a lot of pros complaining about how broken neon is

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Yuh_aye

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I don't know why I said 10-12 imma be honest, I was thinking of actually pressing the button and run/jumping past someone with movement to find an opportunity to get value (could be a bunch of non-combat things too, think miniboo spotting the bomb vs flashback by just running across, knowing he's not gonna get hit) versus the actual slide shoot itself - thats a fuckup on my part with the way i worded it.

Run and gun is obviously viable on any agent when ur facestuffing, nobody complains about that. You know exactly why we complain about neon's run and gun : https://www.vlr.gg/402114/rate-my-idea

and saying 'Just headshot them with a vandal' or 'just breach stun + omen blind' as if its so easy to just do that is laughable

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smthlikeyou11

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i mean personally ive won majority of my duels against a ulted neon when i had a vandal
neon isnt accurate while jumping tho, only lateral movement

and yes if u have decent teammates just call for a flash and stun

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Yuh_aye

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neon isnt accurate while jumping tho, only lateral movement

The point was to satirize how ridiculous neon's game design is by applying it to raze. Neon has high accuracy with his movement mechanic (the slide), so I applied it to raze's (the satchels).

i mean personally ive won majority of my duels against a ulted neon when i had a vandal

The ult is easier for me too than the slide shoot, which is the real problem. At the end of the day an ult is an ult, and is supposed to be strong, but the slide shoot shouldn't be in a tac-fps.

and yes if u have decent teammates just call for a flash and stun

Do you have a different ranked system from everybody else where your teammates are always selfless, ultra-competent, team players? Pls let me have your account if so. I've been in radiant lobbies where I can't get the no-commers playing smokes to throw the ascent one-way at the start of rounds even after specifically asking for it

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