I heard kang kang got the mvp bracelet for champs, kinda sucks for chichoo and smoggy
It feels like flashy players and duelist players always get more credit than consistent impactful players, sure kang kang was the grand finals mvp but smoggy and chichoo were way better throughout the tourney
Edg never would have made finals without those two
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koromast [#2]yeah, im surprised too with that logic jawgemo should´ve been last year´s mvp tbh
Even going back to masters Reykjavik 2021, tenz’s peak was incredible but shahzam nearly put up the same stats while igling which is bonkers
A lot of people used to glaze Aspas when loud won despite him being the worst player when they won champs, didn’t give pancada less and sacy their credit during champs 2022
ZANEy [#3]that happens every where in sports too defenders just dont get there flowers thats why i always wanted different individual trophys for every role
Oh man u actually stole my thoughts evn I want that like individual roles trophy
UvuvwevwevweOnyetenyevwe [#4]That overrated rat wasn't the MVP
Smoggy was the real MVP of champions 2024
Feel like chichoo was better during playoffs but it’s definitely either smoggy or chichoo
koromast [#2]yeah, im surprised too with that logic jawgemo should´ve been last year´s mvp tbh
https://www.vlr.gg/248277/paper-rex-vs-evil-geniuses-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-gf, but tbh I dont think its based of vlr rating that would be stupid(just what the community has been doing)
Pengu12 [#8]https://www.vlr.gg/248277/paper-rex-vs-evil-geniuses-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-gf, but tbh I dont think its based of vlr rating that would be stupid(just what the community has been doing)
If u watched the game Jawgemo was more impactful, he got many more kills, first engagements and 280 ACS in 4 maps, rating values low deaths too much
kanyefan4238173 [#9]I think it shoulda been Chichoo too but I’m okay with kangkang winning
His grand final was the best performance I’ve ever seen out of any player. With how they decide the mvp now it’s almost guaranteed the grand final mvp is gonna win mvp
Which is absolute bullshit imo, you could have someone play like shit the entire way through and have a good day during grands and get mvp
So stupid imo
Uncleben [#10]If u watched the game Jawgemo was more impactful, he got many more kills, first engagements and 280 ACS in 4 maps, rating values low deaths too much
def, just that the MVP of the pasts have been based on rating
Uncleben [#7]Feel like chichoo was better during playoffs but it’s definitely either smoggy or chichoo
Smoggy or Chichoo both carried EDG
Pengu12 [#12]def, just that the MVP of the pasts have been based on rating
Regardless I think the ops point was that Jawgemo despite being the best player during the finals was not the champs mvp, so why should kang kang be so?
Uncleben [#11]Which is absolute bullshit imo, you could have someone play like shit the entire way through and have a good day during grands and get mvp
So stupid imo
Yeah if it was like this in 2021 there’s a chance starxo woulda been champs mvp rather than zeek 😭
Uncleben [#7]Feel like chichoo was better during playoffs but it’s definitely either smoggy or chichoo
Isn't MVP just for the GF and not entirety of the playoffs?
For me personally it's between KK or Smoggy
Uncleben [#14]Regardless I think the ops point was that Jawgemo despite being the best player during the finals was not the champs mvp, so why should kang kang be so?
Jawgemo had a good performance, kangkang had the best performance we have ever seen
kanyefan4238173 [#15]Yeah if it was like this in 2021 there’s a chance starxo woulda been champs mvp rather than zeek 😭
Yeah 😂
Starxo turned the fuck up for semis and grands tho that shit was crazy
Pengu12 [#17]Jawgemo had a good performance, kangkang had the best performance we have ever seen
His overall tournament performance wasn’t even close to chichoo or smoggy, he wouldn’t have the chance to play that well in finals if they hadn’t brought him there
That’s why he’s the finals mvp and one of them is the tournament mvp imo
Uncleben [#11]Which is absolute bullshit imo, you could have someone play like shit the entire way through and have a good day during grands and get mvp
So stupid imo
I mean kangkang played well the entire tournament, and then had the greatest single performance ever in the biggest moment. It's ok to acknowledge the other player's performances as well, as they deserve the credit, but to act like KK only performed in the GF is wrong. He had a good tournament even excluding the GF, that was just the icing on the cake.
alchemy02 [#20]I mean kangkang played well the entire tournament, and then had the greatest single performance ever in the biggest moment. It's ok to acknowledge the other player's performances as well, as they deserve the credit, but to act like KK only performed in the GF is wrong. He had a good tournament even excluding the GF, that was just the icing on the cake.
Actually, excluding the grand finals kang kang didn’t mvp any series and barely had a 1 rating
Watching the matches, it clear smoggy and chichoo were the standout players for the whole tourney minus the finals
Uncleben [#19]His overall tournament performance wasn’t even close to chichoo or smoggy, he wouldn’t have the chance to play that well in finals if they hadn’t brought him there
That’s why he’s the finals mvp and one of them is the tournament mvp imo
u have a point, Kang kang wasnt all there in group stages but again he had a historic GF performance to win and also was the best player during playoffs
ZANEy [#3]that happens every where in sports too defenders just dont get there flowers thats why i always wanted different individual trophys for every role
oh boy you would love Hockey
Uncleben [#22]Actually, excluding the grand finals kang kang didn’t mvp any series and barely had a 1 rating
Watching the matches, it clear smoggy and chichoo were the standout players for the whole tourney minus the finals
not MVP'ing a series does not equal playing like shit, nor does a 1 rating or whatever lol. If you watch the games, he solo won them rounds, and most importantly fulfilled his role of entrying, led the tournament in first kills per round and total. If you think he played bad outside of the GF, then you don't know what you're watching simply put. He had like a B grade tournament, and then an A+ GF.
alchemy02 [#26]not MVP'ing a series does not equal playing like shit, nor does a 1 rating or whatever lol. If you watch the games, he solo won them rounds, and most importantly fulfilled his role of entrying, led the tournament in first kills per round and total. If you think he played bad outside of the GF, then you don't know what you're watching simply put. He had like a B grade tournament, and then an A+ GF.
Exactly, but chichoo and smoggy were better than him every single match except the finals essentially
I’m not saying that kangkang had a bad tournament, but he clearly wasn’t edg’s best player across the ENTIRE tourney
alchemy02 [#20]I mean kangkang played well the entire tournament, and then had the greatest single performance ever in the biggest moment. It's ok to acknowledge the other player's performances as well, as they deserve the credit, but to act like KK only performed in the GF is wrong. He had a good tournament even excluding the GF, that was just the icing on the cake.
Thats alot of icing, that performance was insane
Uncleben [#27]Exactly, but chichoo and smoggy were better than him every single match except the finals essentially
I’m not saying that kangkang had a bad tournament, but he clearly wasn’t edg’s best player across the ENTIRE tourney
I can agree to that, but the gap between KK and everyone else in that server during the BIGGEST match of the year was too wide for him to not be mvp, especially since he played well up until that point. I believe if he didn't break records, Chichoo would have won mvp and it would have been rightfully so. But a performance like that has to be acknowledged, he was +40 like cmon. Idc what anyone says, playing like that in GF is more important when considering an mvp than being good across a whole tournament. This whole thread is downplaying it, we literally haven't seen anything like that before, and even if he was shit all tournament, if he played like that again he would still deserve mvp. S/O Chichoo and Smoggy tho lol
alchemy02 [#29]I can agree to that, but the gap between KK and everyone else in that server during the BIGGEST match of the year was too wide for him to not be mvp, especially since he played well up until that point. I believe if he didn't break records, Chichoo would have won mvp and it would have been rightfully so. But a performance like that has to be acknowledged, he was +40 like cmon. Idc what anyone says, playing like that in GF is more important when considering an mvp than being good across a whole tournament. This whole thread is downplaying it, we literally haven't seen anything like that before, and even if he was shit all tournament, if he played like that again he would still deserve mvp. S/O Chichoo and Smoggy tho lol
we just got to agree to disagree, because if chichoo and smoggy didn’t perform as well as they did, kang kang wouldn’t have even gotten to the grand finals imo
It is the most important match
, but it’s easier to have one incredible performance than multiple great ones imo
Uncleben [#30]we just got to agree to disagree, because if chichoo and smoggy didn’t perform as well as they did, kang kang wouldn’t have even gotten to the grand finals imo
It is the most important match
, but it’s easier to have one incredible performance than multiple great ones imo
Just underplaying the performance, it wasn't just incredible, it was the best we've ever seen statistically (and optically, imo) and it happened in a grand final. There quite literally has never been another performance like that, so how exactly is it easier? Cause I can name like 5 great full tournaments from players just this year.
alchemy02 [#31]Just underplaying the performance, it wasn't just incredible, it was the best we've ever seen statistically (and optically, imo) and it happened in a grand final. There quite literally has never been another performance like that, so how exactly is it easier? Cause I can name like 5 great full tournaments from players just this year.
So yes, kang kang absolutely had a great champs and was obviously the finals mvp, how can he be the best player of the tournament if TWO of his teammates played better than him in like 5 other matches?
A tournament isn’t just the finals, no matter how impressive his finals performance is imo
Uncleben [#32]So yes, kang kang absolutely had a great champs and was obviously the finals mvp, how can he be the best player of the tournament if TWO of his teammates played better than him in like 5 other matches?
A tournament isn’t just the finals, no matter how impressive his finals performance is imo
I'll agree, i'm not hear to say KK was the best player throughout the whole tournament, and if we were awarding an mvp based on full tournament, treating all games equally, I'd give it to chichoo. But there is a reason they wait till after GF's to award the MVP, because everyone voting and everyone watching knows that game is more important than all the others. The fact KK played like that in one of the closest series all year, meaning had he played even a tad bit less out of his mind, they would have lost... if that doesn't warrant an MVP than idk lol. That's all I'll say on this, I appreciate the good debate though.
Ullyr [#21]Tbh MVP is just an aura test. You see the ones that get MVP usually radiates the most aura just look at some of the people that should have gotten mvp: Tenz, nats, aspas, demon1, and now kangkang.
you using "aura" unironically made me so sad
UvuvwevwevweOnyetenyevwe [#13]Smoggy or Chichoo both carried EDG
all year round kk has been the best player for edg
in champs groups smoggy was their best player
in champs as a whole chichoo was the best player
in the gf kk was the best player by a landslide (making him the best player in playoff by technicality cuz gf he was that good it boosted his previous stats)
depends what metric you wanna take it by. Its kk > chichoo > smoggy
SXNFLGJL [#16]Isn't MVP just for the GF and not entirety of the playoffs?
For me personally it's between KK or Smoggy
even if you include playoffs kk wins it, his final stats are that insane, but overall in champions chichoo has been the most consistent
Uncleben [#11]Which is absolute bullshit imo, you could have someone play like shit the entire way through and have a good day during grands and get mvp
So stupid imo
kk had the best playoff stats in the team overall, he was not mid the entire way through.
GF? kk > chichoo > smoggy
Playoff (yes gf) kk > chichoo > smoggy
Playoff (No gf)? chichoo > kk > smoggy
Groups? smoggy > chichoo > kk
Overall? chichoo > kk > smoggy
the most important stats are gf and playoff. in both kk topped in edg (he has also been the clear best player all year round)
Uncleben [#22]Actually, excluding the grand finals kang kang didn’t mvp any series and barely had a 1 rating
Watching the matches, it clear smoggy and chichoo were the standout players for the whole tourney minus the finals
kk only had a poor group stage his rating is 1.10 without the gf and smoggy had a 1.02 rating in playoffs. Smoggy was a groups merchant sorry to say.
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