Deep-thinkers, come 2 (society by 2050)

Last discussion went well so I'll propose another question: What is your prediction for the state of society in by 2050? Personally, I'm somewhat of a pessimist. Here's why:

Gen-Z/Gen-A will be world leaders and hold most positions of power by that point. Based on how these generations behave at the moment, I have little faith in Gen-Z/Gen-A men or women being capable of upholding societal order/structure, maintaining critical infrastructure, or keeping positive internal or international relations.

Gender relations are the worst they've ever been, men and women are in constant tension, so many are giving up on dating and children, birth rates are on a steep decline and below replacement in some countries (meaning a woman wouldn't even replace herself if she had a child), men are increasingly less interested in higher education, employment, or the military. They are being replaced by women but no men in certain types of work is a big problem.

I'll stop here to leave room for other ideas but there's also healthcare, housing, wages etc. It's just cooked.

Disclaimer: I've mentioned no specific politics to keep this within the rules. Some points might get into politics but it's not the focus.

not all gen z is bad. Gen Alpha is what I'm most worried abiut

Cu55Ku55_______ [#2]

not all gen z is bad. Gen Alpha is what I'm most worried abiut

Gen-Z might be redeemable but Gen-A is for sure cooked.

why are we acting like previous generations weren’t also generally careless and stupid when they were young

Paraplant [#4]

why are we acting like previous generations weren’t also generally careless and stupid when they were young

It's not just being young and stupid. Previous generations lived in a world where they were eventually forced to grow-up. They were working in their teens, sent to wars, had families in their early 20s, and felt some kind of responsibility towards a stable society. This is not true for Gen-Z or Gen-A. We are the most privileged and comfortable generations that have ever lived, and it shows in our actions.

-cut yapping-

Inshallah there wont be a society at all

Liwus [#6]

Inshallah there wont be a society at all

I really have tried to be optimistic about this when I think about it and I just don't see how we reverse the negative social trends. The future is simply going to have to prove me wrong.

this is the perspective of a 14 year old.
"gender relations are the worst ever" yeah maybe in the past 10 years
women were literally property and couldnt vote 100 years ago in the us. birth rates decline because of better economic state and contraceptives.
college is becoming too expensive for what we/most of our parents make because wages dont track its increase. thats why more people are going to trade school now and not seeking higher education.
less people want to go to military because the government propaganda is less effective nowadays with internet and social media, among many other things.
your post is filled with ignorance that a few simple google searches could fix.

Maybe it's cyclical, and not linear (it seems to be due to small life scale of average human). In evolutionary stages humanity has gone through multiple cycles of population explosion and then decline. Reasons may vary from one to another but I think once humanity gets reduced to the bring of extinction, they'll adapt and again start increasing in numbers. Most of the countries in next 100 years will hit the fifth stage of the Demographic Transition Model (low birth rates and moderate to high death rates); once it hits criticality new society along with new societal order will rise.

cscheater [#8]

this is the perspective of a 14 year old.
"gender relations are the worst ever" yeah maybe in the past 10 years
women were literally property and couldnt vote 100 years ago in the us. birth rates decline because of better economic state and contraceptives.
college is becoming too expensive for what we/most of our parents make because wages dont track its increase. thats why more people are going to trade school now and not seeking higher education.
less people want to go to military because the government propaganda is less effective nowadays with internet and social media, among many other things.
your post is filled with ignorance that a few simple google searches could fix.

19th amendment was in 1919 lil bro, stop yapping if you cant even count. stopped reading there

Social media influence will increase resulting in more stupid ideas and beliefs (like gender counts for example)

Suiiiiiii [#9]

Maybe it's cyclical, and not linear (it seems to be due to small life scale of average human). In evolutionary stages humanity has gone through multiple cycles of population explosion and then decline. Reasons may vary from one to another but I think once humanity gets reduced to the bring of extinction, they'll adapt and again start increasing in numbers. Most of the countries in next 100 years will hit the fifth stage of the Demographic Transition Model (low birth rates and moderate to high death rates); once it hits criticality new society along with new societal order will rise.

Some countries are fine tho with the high birthrate they will save the earth

Cu55Ku55_______ [#2]

not all gen z is bad. Gen Alpha is what I'm most worried abiut

What year starts gen alpha ?

cscheater [#8]

this is the perspective of a 14 year old.
"gender relations are the worst ever" yeah maybe in the past 10 years
women were literally property and couldnt vote 100 years ago in the us. birth rates decline because of better economic state and contraceptives.
college is becoming too expensive for what we/most of our parents make because wages dont track its increase. thats why more people are going to trade school now and not seeking higher education.
less people want to go to military because the government propaganda is less effective nowadays with internet and social media, among many other things.
your post is filled with ignorance that a few simple google searches could fix.

"gender relations are the worst ever" yeah maybe in the past 10 years
women were literally property and couldnt vote 100 years ago in the us.

By gender relations I strictly mean the dynamic between men and women.

Both genders have been historically opressed one way or another, I don't know where people get this notion that men were just dangling their power over women whilst they were: working in coal mines and factories as children, fighting and dying in the wars, forfeiting their own wellbeing for women. The only reason men (in America) even got the right to vote was because the trade-off was the privilege of being drafted for WW1, WW2 and Vietnam.

birth rates decline because of better economic state and contraceptives.

Yes, and these factors are even more damning than lack of male/female relationships because you can't sacrifice your economy for children.

college is becoming too expensive for what we/most of our parents make because wages dont track its increase. thats why more people are going to trade school now and not seeking higher education.

Young women are still attending higher education, they even outearn their young male counterparts. It would appear that there is a factor specifically affecting men here that women aren't being as harshly impacted by.

less people want to go to military because the government propaganda is less effective nowadays with internet and social media, among many other things.

Whatever the reason is, there are less men signing up for enforcement roles. Still not a good thing.

your post is filled with ignorance that a few simple google searches could fix.

I've responded above. But even if I granted everything you said as true, you have done nothing to change my opinion of the downward trend of society. I have found no greater sense of optimism.

-corrected grammar-

yapp3r33 [#14]

"gender relations are the worst ever" yeah maybe in the past 10 years
women were literally property and couldnt vote 100 years ago in the us.

By gender relations I strictly mean the dynamic between men and women.

Both genders have been historically opressed one way or another, I don't know where people get this notion that men were just dangling their power over women whilst they were: working in coal mines and factories as children, fighting and dying in the wars, forfeiting their own wellbeing for women. The only reason men (in America) even got the right to vote was because the trade-off was the privilege of being drafted for WW1, WW2 and Vietnam.

birth rates decline because of better economic state and contraceptives.

Yes, and these factors are even more damning than lack of male/female relationships because you can't sacrifice your economy for children.

college is becoming too expensive for what we/most of our parents make because wages dont track its increase. thats why more people are going to trade school now and not seeking higher education.

Young women are still attending higher education, they even outearn their young male counterparts. It would appear that there is a factor specifically affecting men here that women aren't being as harshly impacted by.

less people want to go to military because the government propaganda is less effective nowadays with internet and social media, among many other things.

Whatever the reason is, there are less men signing up for enforcement roles. Still not a good thing.

your post is filled with ignorance that a few simple google searches could fix.

I've responded above. But even if I granted everything you said as true, you have done nothing to change my opinion of the downward trend of society. I have found no greater sense of optimism.

-corrected grammar-

is men owning women not a dynamic between them? genuine question
I said nothing about men vs women going to college. as to why less men are going I SAID BECAUSE THEYRE POOR AND CANT ATTEND COLLEGE. TRADE SCHOOL IS MORE LIKELY TO BE ATTENDED BY MEN, WHILE WOMEN HOUSEWIVES
less military around the world raping and murdering civilians is probably a good thing. theyre just dogs of the governments they fight for

swerdog [#10]

19th amendment was in 1919 lil bro, stop yapping if you cant even count. stopped reading there

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounding

yapp3r33 [#14]

"gender relations are the worst ever" yeah maybe in the past 10 years
women were literally property and couldnt vote 100 years ago in the us.

By gender relations I strictly mean the dynamic between men and women.

Both genders have been historically opressed one way or another, I don't know where people get this notion that men were just dangling their power over women whilst they were: working in coal mines and factories as children, fighting and dying in the wars, forfeiting their own wellbeing for women. The only reason men (in America) even got the right to vote was because the trade-off was the privilege of being drafted for WW1, WW2 and Vietnam.

birth rates decline because of better economic state and contraceptives.

Yes, and these factors are even more damning than lack of male/female relationships because you can't sacrifice your economy for children.

college is becoming too expensive for what we/most of our parents make because wages dont track its increase. thats why more people are going to trade school now and not seeking higher education.

Young women are still attending higher education, they even outearn their young male counterparts. It would appear that there is a factor specifically affecting men here that women aren't being as harshly impacted by.

less people want to go to military because the government propaganda is less effective nowadays with internet and social media, among many other things.

Whatever the reason is, there are less men signing up for enforcement roles. Still not a good thing.

your post is filled with ignorance that a few simple google searches could fix.

I've responded above. But even if I granted everything you said as true, you have done nothing to change my opinion of the downward trend of society. I have found no greater sense of optimism.

-corrected grammar-

also women werent allowed to go to war or work in coal mines LMFAO

Blueberry77 [#13]

What year starts gen alpha ?

2010 and later birth year

cscheater [#15]

is men owning women not a dynamic between them? genuine question
I said nothing about men vs women going to college. as to why less men are going I SAID BECAUSE THEYRE POOR AND CANT ATTEND COLLEGE. TRADE SCHOOL IS MORE LIKELY TO BE ATTENDED BY MEN, WHILE WOMEN HOUSEWIVES
less military around the world raping and murdering civilians is probably a good thing. theyre just dogs of the governments they fight for

is men owning women not a dynamic between them? genuine question

It is, but you're also dodging the other half of that dynamic, which was men sacrifcing themselves for women. Sure, today women are no longer expected to marry young, have children, etc, but men are also no longer expected take care of a woman, be a provider, fight her battles etc. Both traditional dynamics are gone. What I'm talking about now is simply how they get along.

less military around the world raping and murdering civilians is probably a good thing. theyre just dogs of the governments they fight for

I shouldn't have to point out the obvious error in this thinking. Sure, command all the men of your country to drop their weapons and lower their defences because it's the right thing to do. I promise to do the same, wink.

cscheater [#16]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounding

LMAO take the L bro, tbh your post was filled with ignorance that a few simple google searches could fix.

Blueberry77 [#12]

Some countries are fine tho with the high birthrate they will save the earth

Agreed, even migration can also lead to stabilizing dwindling birth rates among the developed countries (USA can be a strong example). But migrants themselves pose a huge challenge in multiple dimensions that I will avoid to list in order to prevent this thread becoming political and communal.

cscheater [#17]

also women werent allowed to go to war or work in coal mines LMFAO

You know what, you're right. I feel deep sympathy for all those little girls and young women who never had the opportunity to work in the coal mines and fight in the trenches. If those men back then had any sense of equality, they would have given those little girls their own little lanterns and sent them right in there along with the boys. We'll learn from this as we look foward to a better future.

(I'm being sarcastic, of course)

Suiiiiiii [#9]

Maybe it's cyclical, and not linear (it seems to be due to small life scale of average human). In evolutionary stages humanity has gone through multiple cycles of population explosion and then decline. Reasons may vary from one to another but I think once humanity gets reduced to the bring of extinction, they'll adapt and again start increasing in numbers. Most of the countries in next 100 years will hit the fifth stage of the Demographic Transition Model (low birth rates and moderate to high death rates); once it hits criticality new society along with new societal order will rise.

Well said, I didn't go into too much detail myself but this appears to be what we're currently going through.

yapp3r33 [#22]

You know what, you're right. I feel deep sympathy for all those little girls and young women who never had the opportunity to work in the coal mines and fight in the trenches. If those men back then had any sense of equality, they would have given those little girls their own little lanterns and sent them right in there along with the boys. We'll learn from this as we look foward to a better future.

(I'm being sarcastic, of course)

nah bro youre retarded. wives literally tried to help their husbands in the coal mines, and women tried to go to war but werent allowed.
how can men not allow them to help their country and then blame them for it?
youre looking for an excuse to be a victim as a man which is pathetic, I feel sorry for you
edit: done replying btw i forgot most of yall are teen incels lol

swerdog [#20]

LMAO take the L bro, tbh your post was filled with ignorance that a few simple google searches could fix.

i just gave you the google search bro 🤦‍♂️

cscheater [#24]

nah bro youre retarded. wives literally tried to help their husbands in the coal mines, and women tried to go to war but werent allowed.
how can men not allow them to help their country and then blame them for it?
youre looking for an excuse to be a victim as a man which is pathetic, I feel sorry for you
edit: done replying btw i forgot most of yall are teen incels lol

I don't think you understood the point of the sarcasm. You're complaining at the fact the men were protecting their daughters and wives from suffering like they did, that's what I am making fun of.

I am not blaming women for the fact they were not in the mines or battlefield, I don't want them to be. I am only pointing this out because you brought up the gender dynamic of men owning women and so I am explaining how the past gender dynamic was not this straight foward, since people often make it seem as though men just had women on leashes.

Also, I'm impressed you managed to use four different forms of shaming language in two sentences:

• "excuse to be a victim"
• "as a man"
• "i feel sorry for you"
• "teen incels lol"

Not bad, not bad.

yapp3r33 [#26]

I don't think you understood the point of the sarcasm. You're complaining at the fact the men were protecting their daughters and wives from suffering like they did, that's what I am making fun of.

I am not blaming women for the fact they were not in the mines or battlefield, I don't want them to be. I am only pointing this out because you brought up the gender dynamic of men owning women and so I am explaining how the past gender dynamic was not this straight foward, since people often make it seem as though men just had women on leashes.

Also, I'm impressed you managed to use four different forms of shaming language in two sentences:

• "excuse to be a victim"
• "as a man"
• "i feel sorry for you"
• "teen incels lol"

Not bad, not bad.

i dont give af if u want them to be there or not lol
they wanted to be there
AND WERENT ALLOWED BY MEN pls read this twice
also im so sowwy u hurt yo lil feewings lil baby im sowwy

Now this may seem a little bit off topic to what you were saying but I think this new generation will make really smart people especially with the rise of AI and robots many lower paid jobs are being replaced by automated systems so if in the future if you really want a job you have to be either able to make the system or do a job that is complex enough that it isn't automated so yes I think think new generation will have to be really smart and so that means that I think there will be a period of high unemployment rates where all of the people who aren't able to keep up will be cut off but if we have a good government that is able to help them up with some form of cheap post-secondary we could be fine or idk I might be talking bs because its too early in the morning lol

Boketto [#28]

Now this may seem a little bit off topic to what you were saying but I think this new generation will make really smart people especially with the rise of AI and robots many lower paid jobs are being replaced by automated systems so if in the future if you really want a job you have to be either able to make the system or do a job that is complex enough that it isn't automated so yes I think think new generation will have to be really smart and so that means that I think there will be a period of high unemployment rates where all of the people who aren't able to keep up will be cut off but if we have a good government that is able to help them up with some form of cheap post-secondary we could be fine or idk I might be talking bs because its too early in the morning lol

If I was a gambling man, I wouldn't put my money on these odds, bro. 😭

I understand the logic though, could happen. Seems very unlikely.

yapp3r33 [#5]

It's not just being young and stupid. Previous generations lived in a world where they were eventually forced to grow-up. They were working in their teens, sent to wars, had families in their early 20s, and felt some kind of responsibility towards a stable society. This is not true for Gen-Z or Gen-A. We are the most privileged and comfortable generations that have ever lived, and it shows in our actions.

-cut yapping-

you see the worst online
there’s plenty of mature teenagers and young adults that just don’t spend their time posting on tiktok and reels
and also i don’t think going to war and having families is a sign of intellectual maturity
i’ve seen many people that served and they definitely should not be making important decisions

every gen is believes that the gen below them is worse. just the innate superiority complex or like difference from the standard we set in our own. globalisation is too strong for what i believe a true 3rd world to begin but maybe cold war. but i dont think so the world is too inter reliant which is good. however as countries enter late stage captalism cycle. which is ltierally every single nation including the us enemies im a bit concerned. its hard to predict what it will be. but in like far far future humanity maybe screwed due to no natural selection but that probably will not be remotely close to our problem

Suiiiiiii [#21]

Agreed, even migration can also lead to stabilizing dwindling birth rates among the developed countries (USA can be a strong example). But migrants themselves pose a huge challenge in multiple dimensions that I will avoid to list in order to prevent this thread becoming political and communal.

migration is the saviour for many nations due to low birth rates. however seeing how many nations demographics are changing. the tax burden on our generation will be significantly larger

yapp3r33 [#5]

It's not just being young and stupid. Previous generations lived in a world where they were eventually forced to grow-up. They were working in their teens, sent to wars, had families in their early 20s, and felt some kind of responsibility towards a stable society. This is not true for Gen-Z or Gen-A. We are the most privileged and comfortable generations that have ever lived, and it shows in our actions.

-cut yapping-

this is the mentallity all generations have below them our parents to us and us to our parents. whats not familiar or standard always feels wrong.

zhongZHI [#31]

every gen is believes that the gen below them is worse. just the innate superiority complex or like difference from the standard we set in our own. globalisation is too strong for what i believe a true 3rd world to begin but maybe cold war. but i dont think so the world is too inter reliant which is good. however as countries enter late stage captalism cycle. which is ltierally every single nation including the us enemies im a bit concerned. its hard to predict what it will be. but in like far far future humanity maybe screwed due to no natural selection but that probably will not be remotely close to our problem

To be clear, I am Gen-Z myself so It's more so that I have no faith in my own generation.

sure they'll hold positions of power but looking at the people currently holding them can it get much worse?

I think overall 'western' countries are on a downwards trend socially and economically (for the average man), but this downfall has been started by 60+ year olds in power rn

swerdog [#20]

LMAO take the L bro, tbh your post was filled with ignorance that a few simple google searches could fix.

It seems that you are not eligible enough to talk in this thread by the looks of your comments

yapp3r33 [#34]

To be clear, I am Gen-Z myself so It's more so that I have no faith in my own generation.

It seems like you're a Gen-Z who got influenced by a lot of doomer media from either hopeless boomers or GenZ people who have witnessed something unimaginably bad so that their whole perspective is sketched now. Cuz its too early to lose faith on your generation while almost no Gen Z is even in adulthood yet. I know social media is an outcome of our society but if you only check out social media, you'll encounter a lot of people from a lot of minorities with so shit takes that if you said those outside, they would burn you alive.

Tldr : its too early to make an assumption about a whole generation and if you only consume doomer content you wont get the whole idea

Selfim [#38]

It seems like you're a Gen-Z who got influenced by a lot of doomer media from either hopeless boomers or GenZ people who have witnessed something unimaginably bad so that their whole perspective is sketched now. Cuz its too early to lose faith on your generation while almost no Gen Z is even in adulthood yet. I know social media is an outcome of our society but if you only check out social media, you'll encounter a lot of people from a lot of minorities with so shit takes that if you said those outside, they would burn you alive.

Tldr : its too early to make an assumption about a whole generation and if you only consume doomer content you wont get the whole idea

You know what, that's fair. I'll admit I consume a fair share of doomer media / discuss doomer thoughts. Realistically, I should give it another week decade.

yapp3r33 [#29]

If I was a gambling man, I wouldn't put my money on these odds, bro. 😭

I understand the logic though, could happen. Seems very unlikely.

True lol especially the governments part

Everything becomes internet based and going outside will no longer be necessary.

Either that or the world goes into WW3 and humanity goes into a bad state.

yapp3r33 [#39]

You know what, that's fair. I'll admit I consume a fair share of doomer media / discuss doomer thoughts. Realistically, I should give it another week decade.

Its totally normal to have a thought of things right now and its also very normal for those thoughts to change weekly when you figure out more things in life. The thing is to not be sure and bold with your thoughts like "no faith" or the opposite "nothing bad will happen"

woah the world leaders will go from gen x greedy nepo babies to gen z greedy nepo babies