Is this guy stupid or what? He's saying TenZ only played good against Team Heretics and only gave Zekken credit for showing up!
https://www.youtube.com/live/jZWtkhZeluc?si=ZWPhv-FVHNvYFcFf starts at 55:30
This is TenZ's Catalogue for the tournament except that TH game and the Fnatic game where he played bad statistically( still had great impacts)
What is this guy smoking in the British Land? Have they discovered something better than Opium?
Mind you he's an Omen player. He can't farm stats when they are collectively playing bad and his team is losing. If he tries that his stats will go positive but the team won't get any help. Him and Zekken entry style only works because he takes risks and is not afraid of having bad stats so naturally when that team strategy doesn't work his stats will take a hit.
kanyefan4238173 [#2]tenz was ok before heretics
He was very important in winning the GenG and DRX game. If you say that's just okay performance you are just being revisionist just like FraudShow and trying to create a fake narrative.
Paraplant [#3]didn’t he make 2 videos glazing sen after their geng win?
It seems he has a personal vendetta against TenZ but not sure if he hates SEN as well.
GambleNats [#9]besides heretics, tenz was like decent, sideshow is right
Heretics game wasn't even his best game in the tournament lol
SaltyMcNulty [#12]Heretics game wasn't even his best game in the tournament lol
wdym, he did great against heretics, ass against fnatic, mediocre against drx, great agaisnt geng and good against fpx.
at best he did good overall
SaltyMcNulty [#10]He was very important in winning the GenG and DRX game. If you say that's just okay performance you are just being revisionist just like FraudShow and trying to create a fake narrative.
then what do u want to say if ok isnt fitting. ur using stats and rating to say (idek what ur trying to say, tenz was ok, not great) wtv
but tenz stats before heretics were the 4th best on his team, zekken and sacy were better until then
Paraplant [#3]didn’t he make 2 videos glazing sen after their geng win?
yes, but he said Tenz played bad this tourney and it was all because of zekken why they won
GambleNats [#9]besides heretics, tenz was like decent, sideshow is right
he didnt say decent, he said tenz had a bad tourney
kanyefan4238173 [#14]then what do u want to say if ok isnt fitting. ur using stats and rating to say (idek what ur trying to say, tenz was ok, not great) wtv
but tenz stats before heretics were the 4th best on his team, zekken and sacy were better until then
I am using stats because sideshow said 'statwise'. If I make the argument impact wise, it's even more easier for me. I literally showed you his stats before that game. Why are you lying? LMAO https://prnt.sc/FcIZ5oj6_LVg
SaltyMcNulty [#17]I am using stats because sideshow said 'statwise'. If I make the argument impact wise, it's even more easier for me. I literally showed you his stats before that game. Why are you lying? LMAO https://prnt.sc/FcIZ5oj6_LVg
tenz was ok, he wasnt bad, and he rlly showed up against heretics, but this post is so useless. i still dont know what you wanted to do. also i just noticed you cropped out his worst game to make it look better LMFAO
BulkyLettuce [#16]he didnt say decent, he said tenz had a bad tourney
"and before that tenz wasnt doing very much" as in he wasnt game winning, he was nothing special. dont see how you can infer this as tenz was bad
kanyefan4238173 [#18]tenz was ok, he wasnt bad, and he rlly showed up against heretics, but this post is so useless. i still dont know what you wanted to do. also i just noticed you cropped out his worst game to make it look better LMFAO
he said before FNATIC was his worse game but still showed up big when needed like the 4K to win Sunset
GambleNats [#13]wdym, he did great against heretics, ass against fnatic, mediocre against drx, great agaisnt geng and good against fpx.
at best he did good overall
https://prnt.sc/DKlvXHSf-7-q
They are literally side by side in the statboard. One gets praised for having a stellar tournament(rightfully so) , the other gets slandered despite him playing a support role. Go figure!
He wasn't just decent, he played very good against DRX and EDG. They shoulda won against EDG, not his fault.
envyz [#20]he said before FNATIC was his worse game but still showed up big when needed like the 4K to win Sunset
still retarded because obviously sideshow would consider that game when he said tenz "wasnt doing very much"
as did i when i said he was ok
GambleNats [#19]"and before that tenz wasnt doing very much" as in he wasnt game winning, he was nothing special. dont see how you can infer this as tenz was bad
https://prnt.sc/FcIZ5oj6_LVg this is 'not doing very much' btw. Only if you were smart enough to click on the screenshot I attached to the post that exactly showed the games before FNC and TH.
kanyefan4238173 [#22]still retarded because obviously sideshow would consider that game when he said tenz "wasnt doing very much"
as did i when i said he was ok
yeah he was decent still the 9th best player at champs so I guess everyone below him is just shit.
SaltyMcNulty [#24]https://prnt.sc/FcIZ5oj6_LVg this is 'not doing very much' btw. Only if you were smart enough to click on the screenshot I attached to the post that exactly showed the games before FNC and TH.
you replied to a message I sent before sending the screenshot, then complained I didnt consider your screenshot before sending that message???
envyz [#23]he played good this event his worse series was vs FNATIC where he still had high impact kills and you can discard this but he was probably the best player on Map 3 vs EDG he literally just didn't have teammates.
I am so tired of people trying to undermine this guy always and on top of that when a respective figure like sideshow continues to peddle this narrative time and time again no matter how good he does is kinda saddening ngl
GambleNats [#26]you replied to a message I sent before sending the screenshot, then complained I didnt consider your screenshot before sending that message???
Literally ATTACHED THE SAME SCREENSHOT in the OG post. Are you fr blud? LMFAOO
envyz [#25]yeah he was decent still the 9th best player at champs so I guess everyone below him is just shit.
wtf r u yapping about. where is tenz 9th? without the heretics game (the discussion of this post) tenz is 24TH in rating
SaltyMcNulty [#28]Literally ATTACHED THE SAME SCREENSHOT in the OG post. Are you fr blud? LMFAOO
where
SaltyMcNulty [#27]I am so tired of people trying to undermine this guy always and on top of that when a respective figure like sideshow continues to peddle this narrative time and time again no matter how good he does is kinda saddening ngl
its sad he said tenz was okay 😂
kanyefan4238173 [#29]wtf r u yapping about. where is tenz 9th? without the heretics game (the discussion of this post) tenz is 24TH in rating
why are you counting players that weren't even in the playoffs? LOL
SaltyMcNulty [#32]why are you counting players that weren't even in the playoffs? LOL
why are you so mad at sideshow for not glazing tenz and his 1.04 rating
SaltyMcNulty [#21]https://prnt.sc/DKlvXHSf-7-q
They are literally side by side in the statboard. One gets praised for having a stellar tournament(rightfully so) , the other gets slandered despite him playing a support role. Go figure!He wasn't just decent, he played very good against DRX and EDG. They shoulda won against EDG, not his fault.
side by side because you have the heretics game. he has a 1.04 rating if you dont include the heretics game. sacy did better than tenz overall if you dont include the heretics game. fucking luoking did better than tenz if you dont include the heretics game
envyz [#20]he said before FNATIC was his worse game but still showed up big when needed like the 4K to win Sunset
Sideshow said "tenz was not doing very much before the TH game" and I just proved that he's categorically lying since his only bad game was against FNC. Before that he was the best player or the second best in every other game despite playing a support role. How does this post not serve any purpose? Just cz you are mad and not ready to reason with me despite me providing all the evidence?
SaltyMcNulty [#27]I am so tired of people trying to undermine this guy always and on top of that when a respective figure like sideshow continues to peddle this narrative time and time again no matter how good he does is kinda saddening ngl
I don't know what people want him to do when's he's an aggressive player on a restrictive role like Omen lol there isn't much you can do instead of Anchoring which he does a lot on defense and he's still on a new role but I do agree SEN need to get him more proactive in team fights etc and just have JohnQT play Anchor.
GambleNats [#19]"and before that tenz wasnt doing very much" as in he wasnt game winning, he was nothing special. dont see how you can infer this as tenz was bad
group stage + playoffs at champs:
zekken was 7th in rating with 1.12
tenz was 8th in rating with 1.10
"zekken was carrying" "tenz wasnt doing very much"
btw the 3rd highest rated on the team sacy had 1.01 rating placing him at 17th highest rated in the tourney. If tenz wasnt doing much then what did the other 3 members of SEN do?
GambleNats [#34]side by side because you have the heretics game. he has a 1.04 rating if you dont include the heretics game. sacy did better than tenz overall if you dont include the heretics game. fucking luoking did better than tenz if you dont include the heretics game
I included Zekken's heretics game as well where he did very well statswise. so what's wrong? Sideshow's narrative was Zekken did very well this tourney but TenZ did nothing when both of them had one bad game. TenZ against Fnatic and Zekken against GenG the very first game.
I showed TenZ's stats before the last 2 games and attached it to the OG post. There's nothing to hide there. He was great against GenG 2nd time, DRX, FPX. It's not like they played 30 games in the tournament.
SaltyMcNulty [#35]Sideshow said "tenz was not doing very much before the TH game" and I just proved that he's categorically lying since his only bad game was against FNC. Before that he was the best player or the second best in every other game despite playing a support role. How does this post not serve any purpose? Just cz you are mad and not ready to reason with me despite me providing all the evidence?
ur replied to wrong person but im here is ok 😘
and saying he wasnt doing very much isnt quantifiable, it doesnt even mean he was bad.
im saying your post serves no purpose because ur almost just trying to find the line between 'ok' and 'good' which is pointless cause sideshow said it as a one off comment. ur making such a big thing out of a single sentence which wasnt even objective
also idk how you can say im mad when you made a whole post because sideshow didnt glaze tenz 1.04 rating
SaltyMcNulty [#35]Sideshow said "tenz was not doing very much before the TH game" and I just proved that he's categorically lying since his only bad game was against FNC. Before that he was the best player or the second best in every other game despite playing a support role. How does this post not serve any purpose? Just cz you are mad and not ready to reason with me despite me providing all the evidence?
list of players who played supportive roles and is better than tenz prior to the heretics game
Controller players:
Chichoo
Smoggy
Mindfreak
Luoking
Played controller:
Riens
Autumn
Yetujey
Shyy
keznit
JhonQT
Primmie
Chronicle
Intiator players:
Trexx
Chronicle x2
'Riens x2
Alfa
Sacy
kicks
SaltyMcNulty [#38]I included Zekken's heretics game as well where he did very well statswise. so what's wrong? Sideshow's narrative was Zekken did very well this tourney but TenZ did nothing when both of them had one bad game. TenZ against Fnatic and Zekken against GenG the very first game.
I showed TenZ's stats before the last 2 games and attached it to the OG post. There's nothing to hide there. He was great against GenG 2nd time, DRX, FPX. It's not like they played 30 games in the tournament.
sideshows narrative was tenz was nothing special till heretics game. which is just statstically true. including the heretics game makes no sense as thats when sideshow said tenz was good
BulkyLettuce [#37]group stage + playoffs at champs:
zekken was 7th in rating with 1.12
tenz was 8th in rating with 1.10"zekken was carrying" "tenz wasnt doing very much"
btw the 3rd highest rated on the team sacy had 1.01 rating placing him at 17th highest rated in the tourney. If tenz wasnt doing much then what did the other 3 members of SEN do?
prior to the heretics game (which is what we are talking about)
sacy had a 1.06 rating
TenZ had a 1.04.
TenZ was only above zellsis in sen until heretics
kanyefan4238173 [#33]why are you so mad at sideshow for not glazing tenz and his 1.04 rating
That 1.04 rating makes him the best controller outside of EDG who were the literal champions. That's not 'doing nothing'.
GambleNats [#44]prior to the heretics game (which is what we are talking about)
sacy had a 1.06 rating
TenZ had a 1.04.TenZ was only above zellsis in sen until heretics
heretics was their most important game of the tourney btw so excluding it is disingenuous to the fact that he ended the tourney with a 1.10 rating and was the 8th highest rated in the tourney with zekken being 7th highest rated
BulkyLettuce [#46]heretics was their most important game of the tourney btw so excluding it is disingenuous to the fact that he ended the tourney with a 1.10 rating and was the 8th highest rated in the tourney with zekken being 7th highest rated
sideshow is literally saying tenz did fuck all until the heretics game where he popped off. which means he isnt wrong
GambleNats [#42]sideshows narrative was tenz was nothing special till heretics game. which is just statstically true. including the heretics game makes no sense as thats when sideshow said tenz was good
It is NOT statistically true. I just showed u that https://prnt.sc/FcIZ5oj6_LVg If you could reason beyond the capacity of a toddler oml
SaltyMcNulty [#48]It is NOT statistically true. I just showed u that https://prnt.sc/FcIZ5oj6_LVg If you could reason beyond the capacity of a toddler oml
that shows nothing compared to the other players. just check the vlr stats and get rid of the heretics game. 1.04 rating, placed 24th overall
GambleNats [#47]sideshow is literally saying tenz did fuck all until the heretics game where he popped off. which means he isnt wrong
again, heretics was their most important game of the tourney btw so excluding it is disingenuous to the fact that he ended the tourney with a 1.10 rating and was the 8th highest rated in the tourney with zekken being 7th highest rated with 1.12.
We are talking about the entire tourney and not excluding any matches to prove a narrative
BulkyLettuce [#50]again, heretics was their most important game of the tourney btw so excluding it is disingenuous to the fact that he ended the tourney with a 1.10 rating and was the 8th highest rated in the tourney with zekken being 7th highest rated with 1.12.
We are talking about the entire tourney and not excluding any matches to prove a narrative
if u include the heretics game, you are agreeing with sideshow. sideshow didnt say tenz did bad overall, he said tenz was hella mid until the heretics game.
GambleNats [#47]sideshow is literally saying tenz did fuck all until the heretics game where he popped off. which means he isnt wrong
https://prnt.sc/FcIZ5oj6_LVg This is 'fuck all' btw. Are you stupid? I can just tell that you haven't watched the GenG, DRX or EDG game. He was as good as Zekken or anybody else in terms of pure impact. We are making the stat argument for a support player just for the sake of showing that Sideshow is wrong. Stat shouldn't even be an argument when you watch those games and see the impact he had in those games.
GambleNats [#52]if u include the heretics game, you are agreeing with sideshow. sideshow didnt say tenz did bad overall, he said tenz was hella mid until the heretics game.
wasnt sideshow praising sacy on his form and how good he looked? how is 0.02 rating less than sacy up until the heretics game "not doing much"? Excluding such an important game such as the heretics one to push a narrative is dumb af
SaltyMcNulty [#53]https://prnt.sc/FcIZ5oj6_LVg This is 'fuck all' btw. Are you stupid? I can just tell that you haven't watched the GenG, DRX or EDG game. He was as good as Zekken or anybody else in terms of pure impact. We are making the stat argument for a support player just for the sake of showing that Sideshow is wrong. Stat shouldn't even be an argument when you watch those games and see the impact he had in those games.
top 24. that is a mid ass performance.
BulkyLettuce [#54]wasnt sideshow praising sacy on his form and how good he looked? how is 0.02 rating less than sacy up until the heretics game "not doing much"? Excluding such an important game such as the heretics one to push a narrative is dumb af
sideshow said sacy was bad enough to be replaced. he said sacy was good in champs 2022 and that in sen he didnt replicate that performance on sen
GambleNats [#56]sideshow said sacy was bad enough to be replaced. he said sacy was good in champs 2022 and that in sen he didnt replicate that performance on sen
again, excluding such an important game such as the heretics one to push a narrative is dumb af
he ended the tourney top 10 in ratings
BulkyLettuce [#57]again, excluding such an important game such as the heretics one to push a narrative is dumb af
he ended the tourney top 10 in ratings
his narrative is literally, prior to the heretics game. his narrative again wasnt that tenz did mid overall in the tournament, it was tenz was mid prior to the heretics game. thats his narrative. you are allowed to state time frames where people were good or not.
SaltyMcNulty [#45]That 1.04 rating makes him the best controller outside of EDG who were the literal champions. That's not 'doing nothing'.
what are luoking and mindfreak? are they sentinel players?
Dattadri_sai [#51]u mad ?
Why would I be mad? I am not a Fnatic fan who lost their best player and won fuck all the whole year LOL
SaltyMcNulty [#53]https://prnt.sc/FcIZ5oj6_LVg This is 'fuck all' btw. Are you stupid? I can just tell that you haven't watched the GenG, DRX or EDG game. He was as good as Zekken or anybody else in terms of pure impact. We are making the stat argument for a support player just for the sake of showing that Sideshow is wrong. Stat shouldn't even be an argument when you watch those games and see the impact he had in those games.
Just realised tenz was the worst performing non igl smokes in playoffs without the heretics game
AlexSMTx [#8]Hi I'm Sideshow 👨🦲
Yes, I stand by my statement have a good day
this guy is a fraud, that being said i do stand by the statement
SaltyMcNulty [#45]That 1.04 rating makes him the best controller outside of EDG who were the literal champions. That's not 'doing nothing'.
sideshow didnt even say 'doing nothing' and neither did i
why tf r u quoting it
kanyefan4238173 [#29]wtf r u yapping about. where is tenz 9th? without the heretics game (the discussion of this post) tenz is 24TH in rating
prior to the FNATIC game he was top 10 lol we can take away games all we want
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